Posted Nov 13, 2006 at 02:37PM by Jex H. Listed in: Videos, Games, Dungeons & Dragons Tactics Tags: Atari, YouTube
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So. Atari has just released a trailer for their upcoming RPG Dungeons and Dragons Tactics. Funny thing though, even though this was provided by their press rep and marked 11/13/06, we found the exact same trailer in YouTube posted waay back. To be exact, two months ago.

Now, we could've easily just let this boo-boo slip past us, bring you guys this "new" trailer, and pretend we didn't know about the one in YouTube. But then we also know how "resourceful" you guys can get when looking up new info for your fave games so we won't even dare head in that direction. So to solve this little dilemma, what we'll do is we'll post the YouTube video here, and put the clearer copy up for download.

Again, these trailers are exactly the same, except the one we have for download is of better quality, and shows how the game will really look like on your handhelds. So we'll leave it up to you guys to decide whether you wanna see the gargoyles, the Bearded Devil, and other game nemeses get beaten up in crappy video quality, or in a better one that hits closer to handheld home.


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   by smok3 p07 (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » :p

hahahahh nerds!!.

   by kurt (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » HA

NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wouldent dare!!! all the nerds at my school go at lunch to the libary to play this game lmao!!! NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

   by Vipre77 - 2006-11-13
 » LOL

Look who's talking... You are posting on a video game website and you have the gall to call gamers that have *shock* an imagination [shudder] and play games where they can physically interact with friends live and in person "nerds?" Heh. That's funny.

Pot, have you ever met Kettle?

   by Annonymous Coward (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » This could be good!!

I love RPG's and I love Tactical games, this one could be good with missions lasting hours. I look forward to this one and I always did enjoy watching Dungeons & Dragons back in the day.

   by smok3 p07 (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » =/

"Look who's talking... You are posting on a video game website and you have the gall to call gamers that have *shock* an imagination [shudder] and play games where they can physically interact with friends live and in person "nerds?" Heh. That's funny.

Pot, have you ever met Kettle?"


the more you talk, the more i consider you a nerd, and the lame jokes don't help much either =.


   Re: Vipre77 - 2006-11-14
 » Blah, blah, blah, blah

That's what I hear in my head when I read your posts. What makes you think you're so much cooler as a video gamer? Sorry to be the one to have to tell you this, but the rest of society considers you just as big of a "nerd" as those that play D+D.

Here's another lame one for you, since you like them so much: One who lives in glass house should not throw stones.
   by raven (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » nerds...?

I believe the aspect that makes people think D&D lovers are "NERDS" lye where they have every freak'n rule (which has it's own encyclopedia and is still growing larger I must mention) memorized!!

If they used that brain space to store more... IMPORTANT things in life, maybe they would realize that D&D "COULD POSSIBLY" be a waste of brain cells.

I'm not denying video games, just saying that I'd rather learn how to play... Metal Slug for instance, where all I have to do is move and shoot, rather than memorizing an entire useless encyclopedia and waste brain cells and time.

It may be fun for now, but at one point in your life you'll realize "gee, why didn't I memorize the periodic table instead of 172 ways to slay a dragon..." The former gets a job, the following doesn't. Life is simple as that.

I believe that D&D players have potential, so why dump your chance?

P.S.
I came cause my friend *cough* kurt *cough* wanted me to reply to the D&D players... I think...
I'm sorry but this game isn't appealing to me, move, pause, move, pause... yeah, "I wont bash you in the head with my axe even if you are disabled just because it's not my turn yet and I'll let your team heal you..." /end sarcasm>


   Re: Vipre77 - 2006-11-14
 » Well, if you've every actually played the real D+D...

That's how it works there, too. It's a process they call Initiative. You roll a die to see what order everyone gets to do things. What you mention about bashing someone with your axe because it's not your turn. There is a provision for that now since the 3rd edition rules came out. It's called an Attack of Opportunity and allows you a free attack when certain conditions are met.

As for memorizing rules, as a player, you don't have to. You just have to ask your Dungeon Master master if you can do something. If he lets you do it, then do it. He may ask you to roll some dice, but big deal. If he doesn't let you do what you want, then try something else. That's all there is to it. People think it's more complicated than that just because there's a lot of books, but it really isn't from a player's perspective. Now, if you're the DM, then it gets a lot trickier if you choose to follow the rules, but you don't have to. In fact, they encourage you to come up with your own style of play. Playing with rules-lawyers sucks. The books are meant to be used [Capt. Barbossa] more like guidelines. [/Capt. Barbossa].

Also, your comments about not getting jobs are unfounded. Example: D+D is hugely popular with engineers and actors. Those are not the only people that like it, just a sample. I'm an engineer and a D+D player, and so are most of my friends. Some of my gamer buddies also include a Computer Network Administrator and an auto body shop manager. Would you say we all have crap jobs? I'd say not. Our average salaries for my group of gamer buddies is over $50K which is pretty good for the area we live in.

When you learn stuff, it doesn't replace other stuff in your head. Your brain isn't a 128MB compact flash card with a fixed capacity and once it's full, you've got to delete stuff to make room for new information. Maybe *your* brain works like that, but that's not how it works for normal people. I've read about studies that were done that prove that exercising the mind by learning things is much better for you than performing tasks such as mindless button-mashing. Sure the button-mashing may also be fun, but it doesn't really do anything for improving your brain capacity.

Oh, and you're "friend" kurt? Yeah, he's douchebag. I'd find some new friends.

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   Re: raven (Unregistered) - 2006-11-15
 » debate!

okay lets do say it's ONLY the DM's who have the useless encyaclopedia memorized. Still, if you devoted that time to memorize an entire historybook, (which I believe is thinner now a days) you'd have a far head start in life. Think about it, countless hours of studyig D+D? or countless hours of studying history *only an example*? Sure you can do both but why not have two history books memorized instead of a useless encyclopedia?
And it does't matter if they were [Cpt.Barbossa]more like guidelines.[/Cpt.Barbossa] because you still have it MEMORIZED!!
Also, the brain IS more like a 128MB flash card. Your brain can not hold more than a certant ammount of information because there are only so many number of neurons that can transport information in your brain. (spite of the fact that brains can hold a lot more than 128MB worth of info for a normal person...maybe not you but usually.)

Addtionaly, about the [Cpt.Barbossa]more like guidelines.[/Cpt.Barbossa] part, in the PSP game the A.I. wont reffer to the rules as [Cpt.Barbossa]guidelines[/Cpt.Barbossa] now would it? so where's the creativity there? In this case players will NOT be able to ask DMs if one can do this nor could the DM say "yes, no, maybe so." So ultimately the players will be forced to remember the rules like it or not. (unless you would want to try to slay the last boss without knowing anything about what attacks are effective and what not.)

SUMMERY
So the analog old-school D+D can be a... UNIQUE experience as a player, and can cause DM's who follow the rules which are [Cpt.Barbossa]more like guidelines[/Cpt.Barbossa] to come up with... UNIQUE ideas to find loop holes while the PSP digital D+D will force players to memorize the useless encyclopedia inorder to enjoy the game just like pokemon (we all struggled to memorize Ice is good against Ground etc.) except pokemon was [sarcasm]slightly[/sarcasm] easier.

Now the job thing. I wasn't reffering to people who ALREADY HAVE JOBS because calling people who ALREADY HAVE JOBS that they DON'T HAVE JOBS would sound kind a stupid now wouldn't it? Just say'n that if people who have potential, specifically D+D players in this case, can aim higher if they devoted their time in STUDYING for instance, can get an easy start at a high salory job compared to game junkies and pot heads. Why you ask? Well, which do you think is a better piano player? Bach who's played the piano for all his life? or me who can maybe figure out which key indicates "mi." [jepordy music] hmm... I wonder [/jepordy music]
yea, pretty simple. The difference is the ammount we practiced. OFCOURSE you can study D+D AND other stuff but you also have the choice to double the STUDY part instead of learning the useless part. And again, I'm only using the term STUDY just to make things simple. I hate studying lol

oh by the way, when I said Metal Slug? I didn't mention it to explain how it is quote "excersizing the mind." I just said it to give an example of how long it takes to learn to play. 2buttons and arrow keys.... takes a 5 year-old to lear in 5 seconds while... how long does it take for a DM to learn the thing assuming the rules stopped growing? If my memory was correct a few years to have it completely down and an extra few more years to get to the point where you know which edition book has what years rule etc. If you correct me on this, you prove that you are a nerd or the person who actually had the rule down in less than a year in indeed a NERD.

so... I'm gonna hang around this comments board for a while just to have this disscusion. feal free to come at me. I've got the time since... um... I have the time! lol

lastly, I'm looking this as a debate rather than flaiming eachother so, don't take anything personaly. LET THE DEBATE BEGIN!

   Re: Vipre77 - 2006-11-16
 » Man, you've obviously never played real D+D...

All that crap you just spouted off is all nonsense. Sure you can do nothing but study your entire life and really, that doesn't get you any further than you would be if you had taken some time off to do something fun for a while. Okay, there's that .00001% of the population where that doesn't hold true, but are you going to gamble that you're in that small percentage or would you rather have some fun in your life?

You're right that the game won't be able to interpret rules and the player will have to know some basic information, but for a video game version it's no more than you'd have to learn for any other RPG games such as Diablo or Final Fantasy. This is the reason why no video game version of D+D will EVER be as good as the real deal.

In real D+D, even the DM doesn't have to memorize anything more than a few basic rules and even that's only expected in order to keep the game moving. Most of the stuff in the books people don't bother to memorize because it's not worth it. You end up having to look things up anyway, such as spell effects (damage as it relates to caster level, area of effect, duration, etc.) because often they're too complicated to include all the details on your character sheet. Really, when it comes time to actually play the game, the toughest part of the job for the DM is simply keeping track of player stats, status effects, where everyone is at and what they are doing. You don't really spend much time at all considering impact of rules. So, even as DM, you're not really expected to memorize that much stuff. Especially in the newer rules sets which have vastly simplified the game now that they're using the d20 system. Almost everything is based off rolling d20's and higher numbers pretty much always better. The only real exceptions to that are hit points and damage rolls that don't really work well using a d20. When there's doubt and you don't know how to handle something, chances are it's going to be "roll a d20" and then the DM makes a judgement call as to whether or not it succeeds. The rule books have a lot of examples to illustrate how to handle such things, but ultimately, it's easier for the DM to use those examples as examples and not a hard set of rules. When you translate all this into a video game, most of that kind of stuff becomes transparent to the player. The computer is doing all that stuff for you behind the scenes. You want to pick a lock? Go ahead and try. The game will let you know if you succeed or not. There's nothing really to memorize there except for which characters in your party are best at picking locks and if you have the tools to do so.

Back to the jobs, thing... You're wrong. Most people tend to pick up D+D sometime between middle school and college. (read: BEFORE getting into their careers.) I started in 6th grade and played until a couple of years after getting out of college with my Bachelor's Degree in Mechanical Engineering from Milwaukee School of Engineering (http://www.msoe.edu/pr/news/article.php?id+491). After college, I took a job as a test engineer at Harley-Davidson Motor Co. and you can't get in there by being a moron. If you need more examples, stop by your local library and see if they have a book called "30 Years of Adventure." It's a book that they put out to commemorate the 30th anniversary of the game and includes a large number of celebrities that tell about their experiences with D+D both before and during their careers. Vin Diesel is one example. He even wrote the foreword of the book I mentioned. He's even got a tattoo of his favorite D+D character. I haven't played in a couple of years, though, because my gamer buddies are getting too spread out to make it easy to get together.

You're still missing the point... What makes you, as a video gamer of any genre (even retardedly simple-to-learn games like Metal Slug), less of a NERD or GEEK than someone that plays D+D? I'm sorry to be the one to inform you, but you're just as much of a NERD. Haha! You're a NERD too, b

   Re: raven (Unregistered) - 2006-11-17
 » Re:

Yes I understand you can go to decent or maybe even above than average colleges and sallory jobs even if you were a D+D DM or player. I only said that you guys have potential. You CAN or COULD HAVE got a better job reguardless to if you wanted it or not. That's what I meant by memorizing an extra thing or two, such as the difference of knowing how to handle a T.I. or a standard calculator or how to roll a D20. Just mentioning the possibility man, not saying that you can't handle one, just an example.

And alright, maybe not all DM's have everything memorized, you're absolutely right, you got me on that one. But you know there are people who have everything memorized. Maybe it's my surroundings where all the D+D players act like freaks... like talking about mythical people being blown up because they were disrespectful to a god only existing in an imaginary world. No offence but some people take it way to far and I'll specify my term of FREAKS to people like that. Hell I'd call a Metal Slug lover who knows every back ground info of each character a FREAK as well. And just because they are freaks doesn't mean I dislike them. Infact I have Freaky Friends lol

Lastly, since I'm running out of time at the moment,

"What makes you, as a video gamer of any genre (even retardedly simple-to-learn games like Metal Slug), less of a NERD or GEEK than someone that plays D+D? I'm sorry to be the one to inform you, but you're just as much of a NERD. Haha! You're a NERD too, b"

Have you considered that I never said I was less of a NERD or GEEK?
The dictionary definition of NERD by Longman Advanced Dictionary states that

"A nerd is a person who is often very interested in one subject"

So there you go. By being fasinated by any one subject, anybody is a nerd, therefore I can call you a nerd for loving D+D as much as you can call me a nerd for loving Metal Slug (if I did.)

On the other hand a "geek" can be offensive and therefore I never used that term in any of my posts. (Just a side note ; )
   by pancho (Unregistered) - 2006-11-13
 » D&D

I want this game. Looks fun. And there not nerds.

   by kurt (Unregistered) - 2006-11-14
 » YEh

cant be arsed readen them post...YA STILL NERDS THO!
go and listen to sum rave n maby then al listen 2 ya



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