Posted Oct 26, 2006 at 10:25AM by Gino D. Listed in: News Tags: Sony, Lik-Sang
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Lik-Sang... no more...In light of previous events, the whole Lik-Sang vs. Sony intellectual property rights case has now escalated to the point wherein the said distributor of Asian electronics has eventually closed its doors.

Statements are flying left and right from Lik-Sang and from Sony. And now, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is wondering: where's all of this taking us? Should we take sides now? Where do we get our PS3s come launch date? What really happened? Lik-Sang's marketing manager Pascal Clarysse now follows up their statement from last October 22, and tries to set things straight.

The statement talks about what hardships they had to go through, with a bombardment of lawsuits "forcing the relatively small company behind Lik-Sang.com into a bizarre world of lawyers." There's also an update about the said Sony officials that were reputed to have purchased orders from Lik-Sang.

It seems as if this issue is far from settled. Although Lik-Sang is now no more, their memory and what they stood for is still very much alive in a lot of gamers. The battle might have been won, but the proverbial war isn't quite over yet.

Now, before you take up your pitchforks and torches, better read Pascal Clarysse's full statement first:

"First of all, Sony's claim that Lik-Sang didn't turn up and therefore incurred no legal cost is absolute nonsense. Lik-Sang's legal representatives spent over a year to vigorously contest the UK's court jurisdiction until the last moment, produced witness statements and documents, and replied to Sony's allegations about parallel importation and copyright infringement. Plenty of documents were sent back and forth from Hong Kong all the way to the UK, and it was also argued to the London High Court that Sony has launched duplicate actions in different countries, but all to no avail. The court case in Hong Kong is still ongoing, and Lik-Sang as well as its lawyers spent hundreds and hundreds of hours trying to catch up with Sony's mass of documents and claims. As a result, two different High Court judges at different occasions expressed their surprise about the unusual high legal expenses claimed by Sony's law firm.

Through their lawsuits, Sony forced the relatively small company behind Lik-Sang.com into a bizarre world of lawyers charging more than GBP 380 (EUR 550+) per hour (!), and if you believe it or not, these guys don't come alone, they need their (not necessarily much cheaper) assistants and clerks around them to get something done.

The UK courts ruling that outlaws what Lik-Sang and the gaming community enjoyed ever since, and the imminent direct threat from Sony about yet a third lawsuit and a PlayStation 3 injunction, will absolutely not make things easier and fairer for anyone involved.

Denying boldly any correlation between Sony's legal actions and Lik-Sang's closure must probably be cynical sarcasm on their behalf. Unfortunately for Lik-Sang, the current situation is neither a joke, nor a game: A bunch of people have lost their basis for existence because of corporate lawsuits for something that is not only regarded as lawful in Hong Kong, it is considered to be beneficial for consumers (free trade). And a huge amount of gamers all around the globe lost a place on the Internet that they were enjoying.

Lik-Sang is not involved into any other lawsuits apart with Sony, and, while they "strongly denied that their actions have had anything to do with [Lik-Sang's] closing" in their statement, they still had the time to send a 15 pages fax less than 24h later, lining out the terms of the order made by the UK court last week and asking Lik-Sang to pay the sum of GBP 100,000 (EUR 150,000) just for their legal costs before 4pm at November 1. By the way, the fax also includes a penal notice, nicely reminding the reader that not obeying the order (which means shipping any PlayStation branded product to any country in Europe) may mean sequestration of all assets and, in worst case, imprisonment for the directors of the company. The judge also ordered that 'there be an inquiry as to the damages suffered' by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe in the UK and in any other member state of the European Union, based on each EU country's own rules.

Finally, Sony's unbelievable statement that all purchase orders made by their own directors 'would' be for investigatory purposes speaks volumes, and also doesn't explain why these and all the other orders placed by Sony officials were not revealed to the High Court (despite what is called duty for 'full and frank disclosure' in court proceedings, as Lik-Sang understands it as laymen).

Oddly enough, all investigatory orders that were revealed by Sony to the High Court in London and to the High Court in Hong Kong started much later than the purchases placed by their directors. Further to this, Sony Europe's own Legal and Business Affairs Manager signed a witness statement in the High Court of London that says that Sony Europe 'became aware' of parallel imported PSP consoles in the UK and in the rest of Europe only in March 2005, and the same witness statement presents a trainee solicitor from Sony's lawyers as the one placing such investigatory orders during May 2005.

On top of that, more than a half year after the named Sony officials started to receive their PSP purchase orders from Lik-Sang, Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (managed by the very same directors) sent a letter to Hong Kong claiming that they just 'recently discovered' that Lik-Sang is offering PSP consoles and games to customers in the UK (United Kingdom) and that they would be entitled for a court injunction.

The three directors that were revealed in Tuesday's press release are very important and directly linked to Sony's lawsuits against Lik-Sang. A copy of their purchase orders, along with a fine selection of others, was produced by Lik-Sang's legal representatives to Sony Europe during the Hong Kong High Court discovery proceedings long before the trial in the UK took place. No purchase orders of non-management level Sony employees were revealed, not in court or otherwise.

UK news website Spong.com tried to call all three of the listed Sony directors, just to learn that 66% of them are not in their office or are on holidays this week. They are probably still very exhausted from placing all these investigatory orders for the trainees of their legal department…

My final words: Sony should be proud of having such a die-hard import gamers community rushing to buy their products and supporting them with a passion. Instead, they march all over us."

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   by Sinister - 2006-10-26
 » Sony are sooo *****s.

I fail to see how liksang was affecting them negativly in ANY way I mean Sony's rep's gonna be in ruins now.


   Re: The man who smells like roses, sweat and cheap win (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Yeah...

Sony is just putting the example for all the other online companies not to do the same or they will end just like Lik-Sang. This proves Sony dont give a ***** about some people losing their jobs or whatever. They see stuff in dollars and cents. So for my part oh yeah Ill get a PS3 oh yeah I have a Ps2 and a PSP but thats just the ONLY revenue (anyways they lose money on consoles) they will get (and have gotten) from my pocket...

   Re: teee (Unregistered) - 2006-10-27
 » heee


ABOUT TIME!!!!!! THIS ROCKS!!! They should ban pre-orders all together and arrest people who stand in line outside of stores at 3am. GET A JOB YOU TOOLS!!!!!

   Re: PurpleShadow (Unregistered) - 2006-10-27
 » @Teee

The people who line up outside at 3am are probably adults. And an adult lining up outside ready to buy things is probably buying it with their own money.

And, dear friend, money is something that you earn from working.

Strange how some people grow up knowing everything but the basics...
   by BRAZIL!!! (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
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   Re: Death To 1st Post Lamers (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Would You Like ....

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   Re: brazil (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » ha

lmao 2nd post

   Re: mmmm (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » fffft

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   by - (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » -

yep, now everybody hates sony even more.... they weren't already that popular... :P


   Re: - - (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » - -

oooh, i love sony even more now
   by Matt (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Go figure???

I agree with the above statement. After all, these units were ultimately being purchased from Sony anyway, and more to the point, if Sony are so concerned with ensuring that purhcasers in Europe receive units that meet the stringent EU quality guidelines, are they trying to suggest that the units on sale in hte rest of the world are sub-standard?


   Re: creamsoda (Unregistered) - 2006-10-27
 » right on!

exactly what i was thinking
   by delight1 (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » ...

sony sucks

   by AndyTheSkanker (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Sony done *****ed up

Why would you do this to gamers. All for the sake of what? Making EU citizens wait another 4-7 months for the consoles? That's *****ing low.

   by sony sucks (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » sony sucks

sony digged their own graves through stupid actions like these ...

i´m livin in europe ... 1st the changed launch-date for europe ... and now this ***** ...

i hope sony will fail!

plz guys - dont buy this expensive PS3 bull***** ...


   Re: u don't know me (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » sorry

sorry bro. i'm gonna buy a ps3 anyways. i'm sure a lot of people are. i'm too old for nintendo and despise bill gates more than $ony so there ya go.

   Re: Starayo - 2006-10-26
 » Too old?

Have you actually looked at any of the games? Red steel, anyone?

'Too old' is not an excuse. Nintendo may have a reputation for selling children's games, but with the lineup for the Wii and my own Gamecube collection, it'd clear to anyone that that reputation is clearly not true.


Though I never bought anything from Lik-Sang, I knew about it and was planning to use it in the future. While it doesn't affect me indirectly, I have to feel sorry for all the people who wanted orders off there.

Hey, there's still eBay (at a dramatically increased price :( ) right?

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   Re: yes (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » yes

i agree with "don't buy ps3" sentence :) more people doing this mean that more chances for us to get it at launch ;)
   by Meh (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Why them?

There are countless other sites that sell PSPs or any number of Sony products online. Why go after Lik-Sang? I mean everyone knows eBay sells tons of them every day. Sony is just trying to be greedy by getting the people in Europe to pay more, which is retarded. Now I'm in Canada so it doesn't affect me, but still, I cringe hearing the prices these people have to pay for the same products everywhere else in the world, with the only difference being the power supply needed.

   by Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » $ony is evil and will destroy anyone they feel like

$ony's lawyers haven't made any true or rightous arguments as to why Lik Sang can't import PSPs to Europe. They just have more money. All I can say is I hope Microsoft (who doesn't seem so evil anymore) wins their case over $ony's bulls*it price comparison saying you must buy $400 worth of accesories with a core XBOX 360 because they're "required." Hopefully Immersion can win another lawsuit against these evil bastards. Maybe Nintendo can sue for the controller technology? These f*ckers are big, but as much trouble as they've been having they can go down. Let's hope so!


   Re: Granavatar_Ofme (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » And when are they going to Destroy you?

'cause you suck.

Please Sony hurry and put this A-Hole into the poor house*See Mr. Common Sense clothes.

Well their parents *Sees Mr. Common Sense parents house.

Well you will think on something.

   Re: WTF are you talking about ? (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Stop talking gibberish

Granavatar, WTF are you talking about ? I couldn't make any sense out of your pointless comment (if it was a comment at all). What kind of nonsensical gibberish are you trying to pass off as any kind of sensible or meanigful constructive comment here. You probably couldn't get anyone to make much sense out of what you are trying to say here if you tried to speak it out of your ass with a muffled fart.

By the way, who keeps letting the babies and little children post in here ?

Hey widdle baby, isn't it time you had your feeding of Gerber Baby Mush ? That's right.. gum on that for a while, and use your widdle bib to wipe up that drool at the corner of your mouth.

   Re: Mr. Common Sense (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Granavatar_Ofme is a skitzo

The asylum called. They want their psycho back. It's ok little boy, here's some morphene to help you relax.
I have no problem with people expressing their opinion when it's against what I think, as long as it's something remotely intelligent.

   Re: Amen to that bro (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Mixing medication is bad..

Granavatar should really stop mixing his medication. Mr.Common Sense, you make more sense of what you are saying, than Granavatar himself does.

   Re: noname (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » ...

i don't support any party but from what i've seen most people here are just...kids(?) who enjoy flaming other people/organization and think that they are the rights of justice(?) and those people/organization should listen to them and obey them :p

well if $ony goes down that would be one less console for me to buy so i guess i should feel happy right? ^_^ (sorry for my lousy English, it isn't my main language)

   Re: 14_dev (Unregistered) - 2006-10-27
 » xcuse me!!

umm mr "WTF are you talking about ?"...umm wot the ***** r u tlking about. young psp devs lik me can comment if we *****in damn welll lik..so if u dont lik it den ***** off 2 anothr site. i am tryin 2 b nice as posible here.
   by evidently Brazil doesn't know they are in second (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » ...

Why does Sony spend so much money on a null and void issue? Is it fun to ruin other's dreams and ideas as well as their finances only because they can? Are the different Sony districts (Europe, Asia, and North America) competing? Lik-Sang hurt a multibillion dollar conglomerate that bad?

Don't even get me started on their weird idea of "security". The sad thing is, I like my psp and have liked Sony's products in the past. I don't want to see them go down the toilet. Why keep biting the hands that feed you?


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   Re: The Hands that Feed... (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » The Green Eyed Monster

Why keep biting the hands that feed you ask ?

Well, one reason might be, as big as Sony is, they rely on those " Hands That Feed" them, namely feeding their pockets and bank accounts until they get nice, fat, and full. Apparently, they have gone power hungry and sue happy enough, that they can claim they are not controlled by any one master (much like a stray dog let loose without an owner), or a disobedient dog that doesn't comply with what's told to do.

Much along this same following of analogy, Sony is like a big fat corporate pig, waiting for us pig farmers to feed it it's daily slop (representation of our money) into their troughs to feed from.

Yes, once again the green eyed monster of greed rears up it's ugly head, as we keep feeding it's ego as mass consumers who buy into their products and by doing so have encouraged them to grow as they have.

Another good analogy of this would be to view ourselves as being much like cattle being herded and gathered in a corral, or a herd of sheep perhaps being rounded up and being stripped of our wool (money again in this case), for the overly expensive hardware and / or software we buy from this company. Example: PSP, PS3, Games.

But, we have to ask ourselves as well, if it weren't for us consumers supporting Sony for the products that we have bought and continue to buy from them, to have encouraged them so much as we have to allowed them to grow as big as they have, are we not just as bad as they are ?

That is one thought that I will leave to the rest of you to scratch your heads over. And keep in mind as well, that if it weren't for us as consumers, Sony would not exist at all.
   by Granavatar_Ofme (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Should i care?

No....Why i post here?.
Just to remark all the post here are about Sony sucks but no one sez we will miss link-sang or has nothing to do with link sang.
Just generic "Sony Sucks" Statements.

You know like "i will not buy the Ps3 that i was not going to buy anyway for this",and crap.

I can probably bet that if Nintendo were doing this (Which they did before Sony and Microsoft)people will say something like "Nintendo is our savior", "Nintendo had a good reason" or something.

My mayor lolz to all of you J-holes.


   Re: GaveUpTomorrow - 2006-10-26
 » I agree

I'm going to have to agree with this. Frankly, I think people are just tired of seeing Sony do so well with their PS2, and the microsoft/nintendo fanboys can't stand thinking that their systems are going to suck another time around. Because the Gamecube sucked big time, people are thinking that the Wii will be better. WRONG. Wii will stick have sucky games with a different controller...who cares. Now you can play boring games with a new controller...have fun guys..

   Re: noxter (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Couldn't agree no more

Yeah, anyone that sues Sony is right, yet Sony can't sue anyone cuz then that makes them evil...that sounds stupid but it's just what I've been seeing all over the internet these months. But we must remember that time when there was a campaign in Europe against the PlayStation 1, that gave Sony much more popularity and even more popularity once the great games were released. The ones that say "boycott Sony" must be 12 year old kids by that attitude. There are many more alternatives than Lik-sang so why whine so much? It's not the end of the world so calm down.
   by GeppyZ - 2006-10-26
 » lik-sang

I just still cant believe it....
Why is sony being such a ***** lately?
It's like they are having their period or sumptin...
Everyone knows that sony is in a bit of a "low" position right know, but use that to ***** down companies that Sell sony products so sony sells even less?

come on..

   by Onimushaclan - 2006-10-26
 » really stupid

Sony EU are greedy. that's why i prefer to buy a Wii or a sony import machine. i dont wana support Sony EU coz the lack of 60hz n progressive scan feature for PS2 PAL version. lik-sang lives!!


   Re: Onigariclan (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » lives????

lick-sang is dead lol
   by Some guy (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Lame.

This does have tremendous influence on any future purchases from Sony. These people were moving their products... making money for them. Also it was absolutely pointless. I'm sure someone at Sony, believes on some level this will 'send a signal' to other retailers doing the same thing, but it will not. Other places will do it as long as there is money to be made, plain and simple.

Another thing that is BS is when huge corporations intentionally bury smaller ones in legal paperwork. It's a tactic, that is completely beyond necessity. It's like throwing a tantrum corporate style. What makes it worse is paying big bucks to first torture a small business with this, and then when you finally make them close their doors, ask to be reimbursed for the fees involed. This in itself is enough of a good reason for anyone to hate Sony.


   Re: Not as lame as you are (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Yeah yeah...

There's no reason to hate this little Sony as you know it. You have Play-asia and more choices. Wal-Mart is way more evil than Sony and is damaging our economy. Care about BIGGER things than this nonsense.

   Re: Shopping at Wal-Mart makes you cry (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » To: Not as lame as you are

Hmm.. I fail to see how Wal-Mart can be more evil than Sony in your statement. Where you failed to explain how Wal-Mart is also damaging our economy, I will try to fill in some of the blanks that you left out. Let's see, perhaps you hate Wal-Mart because it makes you cry every time your parents take you there to shop for clothes and shoes ? I bet you really hated it when your grandparents would give you Birthday and Christmas presents that came from Wal-Mart, and when you opened up your gifts you'd get nothing but sweaters, socks or underwear, and you'd be like, " WTF ?! Sh*t from Wal-Mart again ?! Damnit all, not again ! " And then you would throw yourself on the ground and go into a tantrum. WaaaaAAAAhhhhHHHH.

If you think that the original poster (guy who posted before your silly comment) should care about bigger things than this nonsense as you stated, then what about your own comment that you made in regards to Wal-Mart without giving reason as to why it's evil or how it hurts our economy. You should think before you post something, otherwise it just makes you like an idiot, if not like the rear end of a mule (also known as a Jack A$$).

And by the way, the poster above you, Some guy, does have a valid point on Sony in regards to big corporations snubbing out smaller business just cause they feel threatned by them, just look at Micro$haft for a perfect example of this. Micro$haft either buys business' out or snubs them out forcing them to go out of business.

   Re: tch! (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » lame

Go look for some information on www.google.com since I won't bother looking it all for you. I'll just ignore that first and second useless paragraphs you made cuz they're useless (if not ignorant). Business is business, that is all and again, there are more important issues out there (again, won't bother pointing out that eternal list of important things). Anyways I won't waste my time with people who likes to insult just because someone disagrees with them.

   Re: Some guy (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Ok...

It borders on the line of being a valid response. Yes, Wal-Mart as a company has done some truly incredible things, as well as Microsoft. It just so happens that this discussion was not about anyone else but Sony.

So, how should I take it? Because Sony is less screwed up than the other big dogs, I should turn a bline eye? This particular issue hit close to home, and I strongly sympathize with Lik-Sang here, and what Sony did was, in my opinion, wrong. They werent the first, and they will not be the last, but it is still wrong.

Fortunately for myself, I can focus my discontent at more than one target. I don't shop at Wal-Mart. That's how I show them that I don't appreciate what they do. It's a foolish notion that one should only worry about the worst of the worst. I care about many political issues, in the country, as well as in my state and city. I have the capacity to be both displeased and agreeable with many topics and entities on a broad scale.

Now, the Microsoft debate is another thing entirely. Wal-Mart has a massive hold on minimum wage laws, and damages the economy not just through its highly competetive model, but also by paying its employees wages that are impossible to live on, increasing the need for financial assistance, which trickles down to many large problems. While Microsoft has squashed some businesses, I can honestly say I've worked with hundreds of men and women that have very comfortable jobs working on and with Microsoft products. Without them, who knows? Not to mention that Bill, while not a popular guy, has given considerable amounts of money to a number of charities. Big companies will be big companies, but you will never see a headline about Microsft killing a small town, or an economy.

Here, Sony targeted a retail site that not only generated revenue for them, but also very likely boosted sales and interest in their products. While it did not conform to their policies, it was not damaging, not in a broad sense. They made no progress towards any fictional effort to snuff out exported sales. Unfortunately Lik-Sang just got a nasty target painted on them, and felt the wrath of pure wealth and power in the legal system. Sony probably just got tired of fightling losing battles (force-feedback) and decided to go for a sure thing.
   by lol (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » lol

welll japen hates china this has been going on for along time its just that sony saw that store was doing something illgeal then saw then where chinese and they where done! done! see ya later!


   Re: fake chinese (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » lol

china hates japan too
   by Pregnant women!! ... aaahhahaha!!! (Unregistered) - 2006-10-26
 » Seriously...

According to the news here at QJ, a while back Sony had sent letters to Play Asia AND Lik-Sang asking them to stop exporting their *hardware* to other countries. Play Asia listened, and Lik-Sang didn't. Lik-Sang got in trouble and Play Asia didn't. Who gives a crap if you like Sony or not, but if the law says youre not allowed to do something then you shouldnt be doing it, and if you get caught dont be all sour about it and blame it on others.

Sony has no problem with exporting software, by the way. And I thought the part about the pregnant women was ESPECIALLY hilarious... just someone else trying to make Sony the bad guys.

PS. Take a look at Sony's stock today...