Posted Aug 09, 2007 at 06:28PM by Gino D. Listed in: Hacks & Exploits, Homebrew Development, Homebrew Emulators Tags: BIOS, Dark AleX, Glynnder, homebrew community, Nintendo DS Emulator, Team Wildcard
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Nintendo DS emulated on the PSP - Image 1We're already driving into the weekend, expecting to hit the usual slowdown on updates, however, recent developments in the QJ forums (thanks for the tip, Glynnder!) have made us think that this is probably one of the homebrew community's most intense weeks in a long time. The OE source code, Team Wildcard's 3.40 LE CFW, Dark AleX actively talking to Sony, and now... a Nintendo DS Emulator on the PSP.

For all intents and purposes though, and right off the bat, we'd have to say that we can't host the download. One of the main reasons is that the emulator taps into the BIOS - thus leading to its illegality - and the second reason being its infantile stage. We hear the emulator isn't working all that perfect; running games ends up in lock ups and glitches.

So right now, we'd just have to report about its existence, and for the sake of discussion, talk about the implications. One of the biggest hurdles here, of course, is that, how would a DS emulator work without the DS' biggest features: the touchscreen? The experience of getting to play the real Nintendo DS will be watered down in an emulated Nintendo DS on the PSP, but see, isn't that what emulators are defined as?

We know you have a lot of questions, proclamations, and out bursts of joy. So we'll leave you with two options: 1) you may comment below, or 2) proceed to the forum thread for an in-depth discussion. However. Please bear in mind that we will not tolerate any links, information, or other details on where or how to get ROMs and illegal files.

Many thanks to Glynnder for sending in the tip!

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   by linkinpark9812 - 2007-08-09
 » Neat

Seems pretty cool, however, seems liek it would take the fun out of it. (No Touchscreen)


   Re: WHY NO DOWNLOAD? (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » Cause of the BIOS? That's dumb

You host the DGEN Sega Emulator and that has a BIOS file, so what's the difference?

   Re: dont forget (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » reason # 2

its infantile stage. We hear the emulator isn't working all that perfect; running games ends up in lock ups and glitches.

if that's so then you shouldnt have you shouldnt have hosted deadulas 64 emu.

or cfw with 2 or 3 updates to it, cause it's "buggy".

so you have no point nor reason not to post up a DL link

   Re: cheeb (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » DGEN

I suppose it's because it's highly unlikely SEGA will sue PSPUpdates for hosting its' intellectual property based on the fact SEGA stopped selling the Megadrive/Genesis about 10 years ago... same rationale as abandonware.

   Re: Gino D. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-08-09
 » we do hope you understand that...

there are a lot of gray areas with regards to these things, and there will always be the "iffy stuff". there are a whole lot of other reasons why we can't host the download, and we hope that no one posts any comments here of where to get it. keep it clean. ^_^

   Re: nateo200 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » ''

well theres a touch screen for the psp only in china though i heard about it it plugs into the usb port on ur psp then folds over ur psp its pretty cool ithink it mite just be a roomer but i saw a video that would be perfet then

   Re: mreverdred01 - 2007-08-09
 » .

how is no touchscreen taking the fun out of it? I understand it would be a little strange with both NDS screens either sharing the PSP screen or switching back and forth, but it's the idea behind having a NDS emulator on your PSP which makes it so amazing. That would be like having Wii and Xbox 360 emulators on your PS3. Unless this gets running at full speed and maybe gets in the news or something so everybody knows about it, I don't see it effecting NDS sales at all, though.

   Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » @ mreverdred01

Wii and 360 emulator on a PS3? Don't you mean Wii and PS3 emulators on a 360?

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   Re: HakatoX - 2007-08-09
 » Re:metalspector

if you think a 360 is more powerfull than a PS3 ... you honestly need to put the crack pipe down
360 has a projected life of 5 years when Sony made the PS3 it's projescted life is aimed to be 10 years.

   Re: mreverdred01 - 2007-08-09
 » @metalspector

...ew. no. Besides, even if you're one of those people that thinks the games for the PS3 are bad or Sony is a bad company or it was just all a ploy to get blu-ray going which is going to fail in the end anyway, the PS3 has better specs so my example is still valid.

   Re: R Zauli (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » You're actin like...

This qj forum is worse every day and now they new pearl: "We do not tolerate anything illegal"
as if all stuff here were any kind of legal thing
This forum is weak everyday, I think it's not DA was buyed by Sony.
You're actin like virgin bi.tches

   Re: ksoma - 2007-08-10
 » @ metalspector

metalspector says: "Wii and 360 emulator on a PS3? Don't you mean Wii and PS3 emulators on a 360?"

No, he/she means Wii and Xbox 360 emulators on a PS3...


   Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-08-10
 » Nintendo Is Smart

Because of the duel screen format they practically made it worthless to emulate their games. Kinda like that for the wii too, with the controller and all but probably more possibilities with the wii games.

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   Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » @ ksoma

But... it doesn't make sense! I mean how can a 360 be emulated on a PS3? That's like saying a PSP can be emulated on a Gameboy Advance... It doesn't make sense cause the 360 is hardware wise and software wise superior to the PS3 (or at least I think cause my 360 games look better than my PS3 games).

   Re: Jobo50 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » @ HakatoX

There is no way that a console will last 10 years, especially when there are computers more powerful than them already and they havent even been out one year(beside the 360) im guessing in less than 4 years Sony will be announcing the PS4 and Microsoft the Xbox 720

   Re: Jin (Unregistered) - 2007-08-11
 » ...

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   Re: Barakku (Unregistered) - 2007-08-11
 » @ Jobo

Um, no chance? Excuse me, but how long has the PS2 lasted? And it's still going, too. It seems perfectly believable that due to blu-ray it may well outlast the other consoles (and 4 years? What console by sony or nintendo ever lasted on 4 years?)

And your claim about computers being better is moronic...computers have always been better than the best current game console in processing power, but that hasn't kept a single console down yet, has it?

   Re: sifty (Unregistered) - 2007-08-18
 » Cool but pointless

ok ok, yeah this is cool, but alot games are designed to use both screens at the same time. To me this is more like, "i told i could make a nds emulator on the psp" Its cool, i can see it going pretty far in development, and maybe being a near to perfict emulator to run commercal nds games. But honestly i own both psp, and the nds. And trust me....it wouldnt have the same unique feel to play games! Cool, but pointlesswith out the tpuch screen! THATS WHAT MAKES THE NDS.... DUAL SCREEN!

   Re: jrfhoutx - 2007-08-19
 » Xbox360 +PS3

@metalspector:

your 360 games look better than the PS3 versions not because the system is harware and software superior but because developers have had more time to get used to programming for the consoles architecture than they have had for the PS3 (over a year in fact, the 360 was released in May of '05 and the PS3 was released in November of 06). Based purely on specs alone (since projected console life really has no bearing on superiority) the PS3 is far superior to the 360. if you want a good example then look at the 360 launch titles and compare them to the PS3 launch titles, graphically the PS3 is superior. launch titles for the PS3 are very close to the same quality of brand new games for a console that has over a years head start. that is what people don't consider when they compare the 360 to the PS3, they compare current cross platform games to each other, you can only do that if the two consoles came out at the exact same time, when they come out at different times, you have to compare launch titles (since devs have had more time to get used to one dev environment than the other you have to put them on equal ground and compare periods when devs had the same limited knowledge of the environment), and when you do that, there really is no comparison...
   by L0gik - 2007-08-09
 » IN YOUR FACE DS!

lmao pwned


   Re: pspMASTER (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » HA HA HA!!

PWNED!!!!!!!!!!

   Re: chickachickayeah! (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » PSP the king of all portables

wow i emulated every last gen console, handheld, and arcade except for the PS2 hahahaha now the DS wow i am so happy i own a PSP now i want a PSP lite because i dont own any PSP games accept for crank because they all suck im waiting for dissdia, crisis core, kingdom hearts spin off. i dont belive in downloading PSP games that are currently on sale. i just play games of yester year like for example i have played every final fantasy game except FFVIII, i bought it for $14 and turned it into an ISO, same thing i did to chrono cross, crono trigger, capcom vs snk, marvel vs capcom, crash bandicoot 2(played everyone but 2). I have to say every pokemon game played on the PSP was the greatest experience ever. I have never completed Sonic and nuckles but on the PSP i played part of that series straight through the day. Sony should just take this and run with it emulate everything but Nintendo i guess so they could make a heap of the people who dont know about homebrew.

   Re: fabian (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » pspkings.net

finally i can use the back ups of my ds..on my psp

the day has come..lol
   by Strangler (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » re

this is the funniest sh-t ever hehe/.


   Re: bc (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » yep

Lol, this really is. It's just the concept that is so ironic it's funny. Like a Wii emu on PS3.
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   by angelo (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » ds on psp?

that would be cool

   by a (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » z

I've tried this out and it works to an extent you press R-Trigger to 'Touch' the screen and move with the thumb stick, but trying to see both screens crammed into one PSP screen is hard on the eyes...

Only play games that are not dependent on both screens like Mario games, etc.


   Re: Act II (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » they should have like

if you have the wifi switch up, the top screen is displayed. and if the wifi switch is down, the bottom screen is displayed
   by Pepe (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » pointless.

Its kind of stupid, without touchscreen it will be very hard.
Come on, DS are damn cheap these days and if you buy an M3 or R4 you dont have to buy a single game, that makes it even cheaper ...
These guys should better work on a SNES emulator or something like that :S


   Re: pleple (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » no

snes emulator already out, bro.

   Re: dude (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » dumbass

how is it hard w/o touch? Look at pokemon, barely uses the bottom screen at all.
   by Snipers Paradise (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » just wrong

ds on psp would suck, no touch screen would kill the game your trying to play. its just plain wrong.


   Re: Erlend (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » Not realy

A lot og games suck without touch screen but games as: super mario 64 DS, Mario kart, diddy kong kart+++ dont realy need the touch screen.

I have a DS and a PSP but I will try this.

O yea super PSP fan boys, DS have a lot more funny games that PSP and is cheaper and easier to run homebrew

   Re: HumanIce (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » fgdfgd

how do you then save the game on mario 64 ds? or when you just won a level? you need to touch the screen in that

   Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » ...

you coud use the analog stick to move a cursor emulating the stylus. And for Erlend ds is not easier since you need to buy extra hardware for it to run homebrew.

   Re: Erlend (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » 2 mohaas05

mohaas05:
Yea but with PSP is a lot more complicated, and if you got the wrong fw you cant.
With an R4 its just to plug it in with a SD mirco memory stick

   Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » ...

the same is true with DS. If you have a firmware version too high you can't use mods. And unlike PSP they're permanent so you have to wait for a new hardware mod. PSP you can downgrade. Then its as simple as drag and drop the homebrew to your ms. PSP also has a more dedicated base of homebrew users and developers resulting in a larger quantity and higher quality homebrew.

   Re: Bob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » Read up on things before talking Mohaas

Things like the R4 work on every firmware for the DS, and always will. You dont need to mess about with the flashing, which everyone knows, is the worst part about PSP homebrew. I hated flashing my PSP the first time, knowing what a mistake could do to it.

   Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » ...

yeah sure...until nintendo *****s you and puts in a new firmware. And no homebrew requires flashing. You only flash to modify the firmware.

   Re: me (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » psp

DS homebrew is so lame. There is like 1 release a month. Everyday I see a new psp DL. And its not hard to flash. Only n00bs are too chicken to do a downgrade that has caused like 1 brick because of idiots.

   Re: kefka12 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 »  Read up on things before talking bob

running homebrew with r4 has nothing to do with flashing at all. and no, it wont work on higher firmware. lets see u get any kind of emulation running on a lite off the shelf.

psp is way better for homebrew anyway. i mean, hit back and look at the right side of your screen. ds cant emulate half that.
   by z7 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » z7

in your face


   Re: n00b Killa2 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » Uh No?

There are firmware downgraders for the ds too, but we just like the changes. There are ways to bypass the locks only, unlock the psp where you have to give up everything to play emulated games instead of nu firmware for games. So learn and think again you bias punk

   Re: ...... (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » .....

u don't hav to give up squat to play emulated games on the psp

   Re: Acteon (Unregistered) - 2007-08-10
 » DS isn't all that...

I own a PSP and a DS, and to be honest there's very little on DS that I like. (Gave it to my Dad in the end, he loves Brain Training). The PSP is a better "portable console" and the fact that I can play my PS1 library just blows the DS out of the water.

Now if only it were a standard feature and not something we had to hack. Sony are idiots, yes, but they've created a great system.
   by n00b (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » 1337

lolololol...i made this 1 yr ago, and have been playing it since. I didn't wanna give u guys the pleasure of DS on PSP, so i kept it to myself...

I guess the community has some skillz after all...good job.


   Re: n00b pwner (Unregistered) - 2007-08-09
 » ya right

I doubt you made this, pfft didnt want to give us the pleasure of ds on psp haha nice try

Oh and by the way you don't need the bios file to run the emulator! Just stick a rom in the folder with the eboot and rename it test.nds and it will run!