Posted Aug 14, 2007 at 08:40AM by Ryan A.
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If you look at a film like Man Bites Dog, it makes Manhunt look tame in comparison, but that film can be bought by anyone aged 18. I don't think Rockstar specifically has been picked on, but I do think that the wider issue attacks our entire industry. We need to teach people that games are an art form - they are more artistic than film. We are an adult entertainment industry - we may have started out with child-like technology making games solely for a younger audience, but it's just not like that anymore. It might take legislature a little while to catch up, but if the industry sticks together hopefully we can change people's attitudes quicker. |
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by ... (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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Quit bringing up movies....this is a video games, a completely different kind of media; one that lets players be the character in the games and act out the violent acts. Just destroy this piece of crap game and move on with your lives Rockstar...this crap does NOT need to be brought to the masses, just destroy it!
Quit bringing up movies....this is a video games, a completely different kind of media; one that lets players be the character in the games and act out the violent acts. Just destroy this piece of crap game and move on with your lives Rockstar...this crap does NOT need to be brought to the masses, just destroy it!
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Re: Grown Up (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» No Kiddies!
Wow you don't know nothing about it. For one the characters in the game are pixelated!! You know it's all fake because 3D GCI characters aren't real. Where as movies, Real Actors! real settings, makes it all the more impressionable for kiddies.
Just think.. are you more likely to see an actor look-a-like in streets or GTA look-a-like characters...
Wow you don't know nothing about it. For one the characters in the game are pixelated!! You know it's all fake because 3D GCI characters aren't real. Where as movies, Real Actors! real settings, makes it all the more impressionable for kiddies.
Just think.. are you more likely to see an actor look-a-like in streets or GTA look-a-like characters...
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Re: Reformer A.D. (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» Give it a rest....
if the game is too violent you think for your child then dont let them play or buy it! god damn it pay attention to what your children are doing. hell if they wanted those kids can buy knives, guns, bombs or make their own. hell they can even go get a freaking ninja sword from the novality shop and sharpen it to do some ninja stuff they saw on an R-rate movie. yet games are the only ones to blame...? hell where do you think people got stupid violent ideas before playstation and xbox? maybe from books, maybe from old western movies. or hell maybe people out there are just nuts and want to kill people! anyone thats in charge think of that? some people are just nuts no mater if they played Doom or GTA so I dont see why the rest of us gamers are being punished and shut off from great games that we are responsible with becuase of some negligant parents and insane people. might as well destory that new transformers movie and die hard becuase its too violent and kids will go to junkyards are look for transforming cars from other planets... geez give it a rest people and dont be so anal!
if the game is too violent you think for your child then dont let them play or buy it! god damn it pay attention to what your children are doing. hell if they wanted those kids can buy knives, guns, bombs or make their own. hell they can even go get a freaking ninja sword from the novality shop and sharpen it to do some ninja stuff they saw on an R-rate movie. yet games are the only ones to blame...? hell where do you think people got stupid violent ideas before playstation and xbox? maybe from books, maybe from old western movies. or hell maybe people out there are just nuts and want to kill people! anyone thats in charge think of that? some people are just nuts no mater if they played Doom or GTA so I dont see why the rest of us gamers are being punished and shut off from great games that we are responsible with becuase of some negligant parents and insane people. might as well destory that new transformers movie and die hard becuase its too violent and kids will go to junkyards are look for transforming cars from other planets... geez give it a rest people and dont be so anal!
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» You immature pricks don't understand!
There are lives that could be ruined cause of this. It's proven that violent video games can affect kids but movies can't, if this game passes in the UK it will be a shame cause a few incconet people will die and a few will become domestic violaters. The US game rating system failed, it will be a shame if it also fails in the UK :S. Innocent lives are more important than a game (not only just a game but a sucky game).
There are lives that could be ruined cause of this. It's proven that violent video games can affect kids but movies can't, if this game passes in the UK it will be a shame cause a few incconet people will die and a few will become domestic violaters. The US game rating system failed, it will be a shame if it also fails in the UK :S. Innocent lives are more important than a game (not only just a game but a sucky game).
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Re: zeromatrix (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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What the fu*k are you talking about? Innocent lives at stake? Theres thousands of innocent lives being taking away a day by many other reasons yet you think this is the most important? Your just like those fools who blamed the matrix when columbine happened. You and the media are just looking for something to blame.
What the fu*k are you talking about? Innocent lives at stake? Theres thousands of innocent lives being taking away a day by many other reasons yet you think this is the most important? Your just like those fools who blamed the matrix when columbine happened. You and the media are just looking for something to blame.
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Re: Barakku (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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Why's everyone so stupid today? Metalboy, please take your freaking hands out for your pants when you read news about MH2. And why the hell are you here, anyway? You clearly aren't a gamer, you're a whiner. And from your piss-poor use of English and immature attitude, I'd say you aren't old enough (at least mentally) to own this game.
The US rating system FAILED? Movies NEVER affect people? Games KILL people? Back to math class bud--show your work, or you get an F. Stop jacking off to news about the ban and come up with some real proof, or better yet a non-biased view point.
Why's everyone so stupid today? Metalboy, please take your freaking hands out for your pants when you read news about MH2. And why the hell are you here, anyway? You clearly aren't a gamer, you're a whiner. And from your piss-poor use of English and immature attitude, I'd say you aren't old enough (at least mentally) to own this game.
The US rating system FAILED? Movies NEVER affect people? Games KILL people? Back to math class bud--show your work, or you get an F. Stop jacking off to news about the ban and come up with some real proof, or better yet a non-biased view point.
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» @ Barakku
WTF is your problem Barakku? Want to challenge my english? First of all, you did some grammar mistakes so don't even talk (about the same amount as me, plus my primary language is Spanish). In addition, the US rating system for video games did fail as they should have accounted the massacre that occured a few years ago because of a guy who was mentally affected by the original Manhunt. Also, there must be a logical reason why Manhunt 2 is banned in the UK, considering this is the second game that has been denied classification in the history of the UK (the first one being Carmaggedon, but it was later rated). Furthermore, yes, some games have affected people and influenced them on commiting various killings and many cases of domestic violence have been attributed to violent videogames (although it's very rare, just Manhunt 2 being denied classifications spells out that it's sadistically violent).
PS: I think you're being the biased one here taking it on me with dumb excuses and excuses with no true basis. And, in response to saying I am not a gamer, I am a gamer, ever since I got an SNES when I was 4 or 5.
WTF is your problem Barakku? Want to challenge my english? First of all, you did some grammar mistakes so don't even talk (about the same amount as me, plus my primary language is Spanish). In addition, the US rating system for video games did fail as they should have accounted the massacre that occured a few years ago because of a guy who was mentally affected by the original Manhunt. Also, there must be a logical reason why Manhunt 2 is banned in the UK, considering this is the second game that has been denied classification in the history of the UK (the first one being Carmaggedon, but it was later rated). Furthermore, yes, some games have affected people and influenced them on commiting various killings and many cases of domestic violence have been attributed to violent videogames (although it's very rare, just Manhunt 2 being denied classifications spells out that it's sadistically violent).
PS: I think you're being the biased one here taking it on me with dumb excuses and excuses with no true basis. And, in response to saying I am not a gamer, I am a gamer, ever since I got an SNES when I was 4 or 5.
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Re: Ollie (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» "It's proven that violent video games can affect kids but movies can't"
are you serious? that there is absolutely 0% of the blame to be put on movies?? why about all that rock music these scaliwags are listening too these days? you forgot to give that a mention. there is no absolute for of media that is to blame for all the awuful things that happen in the world, they all play their part. personally i am all for the AO rating to be introduced where ever it hasn't been already (aus in paticular) and then if anything is too extreme for that category then sure ban it, but only after adults are aloud to play the games that were designed for them
are you serious? that there is absolutely 0% of the blame to be put on movies?? why about all that rock music these scaliwags are listening too these days? you forgot to give that a mention. there is no absolute for of media that is to blame for all the awuful things that happen in the world, they all play their part. personally i am all for the AO rating to be introduced where ever it hasn't been already (aus in paticular) and then if anything is too extreme for that category then sure ban it, but only after adults are aloud to play the games that were designed for them
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Re: yeah (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» the real problem
is that u so call parents dont teach your kids right from wrong morals an all that other stuff. so when ur uneducated child (that was never thought how to act the proper way) goes out side they do stupid things an the u guys need some one to blaim beside ur self for being bad parent. i mean i grew up playing all types of crazy game (an i still do) an im good because my parent did a good job.
is that u so call parents dont teach your kids right from wrong morals an all that other stuff. so when ur uneducated child (that was never thought how to act the proper way) goes out side they do stupid things an the u guys need some one to blaim beside ur self for being bad parent. i mean i grew up playing all types of crazy game (an i still do) an im good because my parent did a good job.
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Re: homicidalsanta (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» to ... and metalspector
What the governments of countries that have banned Manhunt 2 are telling people is that nobody - from 18 to 80 - is mature enough to handle this game, and you're not allowed to get this game regardless of your maturity. Can you really agree with that?
What the governments of countries that have banned Manhunt 2 are telling people is that nobody - from 18 to 80 - is mature enough to handle this game, and you're not allowed to get this game regardless of your maturity. Can you really agree with that?
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Re: D24g0n (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» to metalspector
ummmm, first of all, saying that movies have zero blame is just wrong... its not just violence in movies that effect people, its the smoking that gets to them as well. with the video game side, I agree with several of the others when they say it is the parents responsibility when their children pick out games to filter what they find inappropriate, or teach their children what is right and wrong so when they do play a violent game, they know it is fun. I don't even agree that video games have a profound enough effect on the majority of people to warrant the blanket opinion the media seems to have about how dangerous games are. It seems like they believe games have a mind control effect that can tell people what to do. I think this is just an attempt by the movie industry to push out a potential threat to their profits.
ummmm, first of all, saying that movies have zero blame is just wrong... its not just violence in movies that effect people, its the smoking that gets to them as well. with the video game side, I agree with several of the others when they say it is the parents responsibility when their children pick out games to filter what they find inappropriate, or teach their children what is right and wrong so when they do play a violent game, they know it is fun. I don't even agree that video games have a profound enough effect on the majority of people to warrant the blanket opinion the media seems to have about how dangerous games are. It seems like they believe games have a mind control effect that can tell people what to do. I think this is just an attempt by the movie industry to push out a potential threat to their profits.
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Re: Mike (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» %u82F1%u8A9E
Barakku
thank you for pointing out the lack of english proficiency. i was getting angry while i read some of the comments. People need to realize that no arguments, even if valid, will ever be taken seriously if they aren't presented clearly. Go back to school dumbasses. Videogames never killed anyone.
Barakku
thank you for pointing out the lack of english proficiency. i was getting angry while i read some of the comments. People need to realize that no arguments, even if valid, will ever be taken seriously if they aren't presented clearly. Go back to school dumbasses. Videogames never killed anyone.
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Re: na2rul - 2007-08-15 |
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» listen guys
Manhunt is a violent game and all, but i dont think it influences violents itself. IF PPL r influenced by such things, they r easily influenced by ANYTHING.........ie mental problems
Manhunt is a violent game and all, but i dont think it influences violents itself. IF PPL r influenced by such things, they r easily influenced by ANYTHING.........ie mental problems
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Re: LtClBob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Wow. +/
I am 14.
I will say, with 100% assuredness, that video games have affected me less than movies, TV, and music.
(Not combined.)
I have played every GTA game, DooM game, Quake game, and many many other games that involve killing.
I haven't once had an impulse to act in the way that a video game character has.
On the OTHER hand, I HAVE cussed by the example set on television and music.
I'm not saying that video games CAN'T affect people, but I'm saying that there's no use to being biased against video games while the form of media it seems that we're most comfortable with, TV, remains almost unchanged with most bans being for solely political reasons.
I am 14.
I will say, with 100% assuredness, that video games have affected me less than movies, TV, and music.
(Not combined.)
I have played every GTA game, DooM game, Quake game, and many many other games that involve killing.
I haven't once had an impulse to act in the way that a video game character has.
On the OTHER hand, I HAVE cussed by the example set on television and music.
I'm not saying that video games CAN'T affect people, but I'm saying that there's no use to being biased against video games while the form of media it seems that we're most comfortable with, TV, remains almost unchanged with most bans being for solely political reasons.
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Re: Reformer A.D. (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» hey metal guy...
You are very critical of games. Have you actually research and done tests to find that there is an actually link to killers and video games? Yeah the guys that shoot up schools played games that involved killing. Yes some wacko may have bought GTA and killed someone. It is dumb to assume just because they have played a violent game it caused them to kill. I can draw that same assumption about anything. For example since you can't figure this out yourself... Say someone drinks a certain brand of Soda and has killed someone. Then let's say that another killer schools up a school and also drinks the same brand of Soda. Someone such as yourself would then draw that there is a correlation between killers and the certain brand of Soda. That would be the stupidest thing someone could say. If it were true that games were the SOLE meaning only reason these crimes were committed then the gaming studios would have been held responsible. Since that isn't the case you are just sadly mistaken that games make people kill. People kill people and have always killed people. People are just nuts and they will kill someone because they wanted to. If these people were completely sane in the first place they would not have been so easily influenced by the fiction game play. I won't believe you claim until more than 25% of gamers that play violent games start randomly killing if that does happen I will place a bullet between my freaking head before I let the game tell me I should kill anyway. Then if you want you can blame my suicide on the game and it would be true... You and all those parents complaining make me laugh. If those stupid parents watch groups would spend more time teaching other parents how to make sure their kids know right from wrong and teach the parents to get more involved with their children's lives then this problem would not exist. I know some groups do but most like yourself just want to place blame on the gaming industry and not the parents or the lack of mental sanity the killer had. Lastly, before this gets too long... you are totally out of line saying movies have no blame whatsoever. Most people pick up smoking from tv and movies. Smoking kills thousand a day. Games are blamed in violent crimes a few times a year possibly... so go on against movies if you truly want to change something..
You are very critical of games. Have you actually research and done tests to find that there is an actually link to killers and video games? Yeah the guys that shoot up schools played games that involved killing. Yes some wacko may have bought GTA and killed someone. It is dumb to assume just because they have played a violent game it caused them to kill. I can draw that same assumption about anything. For example since you can't figure this out yourself... Say someone drinks a certain brand of Soda and has killed someone. Then let's say that another killer schools up a school and also drinks the same brand of Soda. Someone such as yourself would then draw that there is a correlation between killers and the certain brand of Soda. That would be the stupidest thing someone could say. If it were true that games were the SOLE meaning only reason these crimes were committed then the gaming studios would have been held responsible. Since that isn't the case you are just sadly mistaken that games make people kill. People kill people and have always killed people. People are just nuts and they will kill someone because they wanted to. If these people were completely sane in the first place they would not have been so easily influenced by the fiction game play. I won't believe you claim until more than 25% of gamers that play violent games start randomly killing if that does happen I will place a bullet between my freaking head before I let the game tell me I should kill anyway. Then if you want you can blame my suicide on the game and it would be true... You and all those parents complaining make me laugh. If those stupid parents watch groups would spend more time teaching other parents how to make sure their kids know right from wrong and teach the parents to get more involved with their children's lives then this problem would not exist. I know some groups do but most like yourself just want to place blame on the gaming industry and not the parents or the lack of mental sanity the killer had. Lastly, before this gets too long... you are totally out of line saying movies have no blame whatsoever. Most people pick up smoking from tv and movies. Smoking kills thousand a day. Games are blamed in violent crimes a few times a year possibly... so go on against movies if you truly want to change something..
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Re: Appalled (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Are you serious??
ACTUALLY, smart guy, games are a STORYTELLING medium with a fair amount of interactivity. They are VERY much the same kind of media as movies, comic books, novels and any other kind of story-telling medium you can think of. Games ARE art, games ARE easily paralleled to movies and games deserve the SAME treatment as movies, television, comic books, role-playing (pencil and paper) games, literature, etc. This game DOES need to be brought to the masses, who can then choose INDIVIDUALLY whether they would like to support this game or not. Don't forget your individuality just because you're a subscribing member of the Republican party. What everyone else says isn't what you have to think.
ACTUALLY, smart guy, games are a STORYTELLING medium with a fair amount of interactivity. They are VERY much the same kind of media as movies, comic books, novels and any other kind of story-telling medium you can think of. Games ARE art, games ARE easily paralleled to movies and games deserve the SAME treatment as movies, television, comic books, role-playing (pencil and paper) games, literature, etc. This game DOES need to be brought to the masses, who can then choose INDIVIDUALLY whether they would like to support this game or not. Don't forget your individuality just because you're a subscribing member of the Republican party. What everyone else says isn't what you have to think.
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by MrT (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» Nothing for kids
While Im against censorship, I believe that currently there aint effective means to keep childs getting their hands on games they shouldnt be able to get. And Manhunt is just such a game that - well, is very violent and just for the only sake of being violent in the most brutal manner.
Currently no shop will care if a 12 year old will walk out with a 18+ game. Thats were the real problem lies.
While Im against censorship, I believe that currently there aint effective means to keep childs getting their hands on games they shouldnt be able to get. And Manhunt is just such a game that - well, is very violent and just for the only sake of being violent in the most brutal manner.
Currently no shop will care if a 12 year old will walk out with a 18+ game. Thats were the real problem lies.
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Re: You're a stupid FUNK (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» STOOPID FUNKER
FUNK YOU MrT
FUNK YOU MrT
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Re: LtClBob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» LoL
Actually, many game stores require an ID to buy a game rated M. I don't know what kind of "shop" you're going to, but all of the ones around here require one.
Actually, many game stores require an ID to buy a game rated M. I don't know what kind of "shop" you're going to, but all of the ones around here require one.
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by Pwner1 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» bb
manhunt rocks
manhunt rocks
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by rob (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» finally...
a dev woth some sense
hes right, games are moving fowaard, and it shouldnt try to be stopped, regardless of where its going
a dev woth some sense
hes right, games are moving fowaard, and it shouldnt try to be stopped, regardless of where its going
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Re: rigmutton (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» That's a terrifying statement
"Shouldn't be stopped regardless of where it's going"? I couldn't agree less.
"Shouldn't be stopped regardless of where it's going"? I couldn't agree less.
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Re: Eques (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Slight alteration of your words...
As long as it stays on-screen and doesn't involve real people other than in controlling the action on-screen, then I stick by your statement. :P
I mean... a game could move to the point where it turns into a live action role-playing game, then onto a secret underground club where club members fight to the death... for real. :P
As long as it stays on-screen and doesn't involve real people other than in controlling the action on-screen, then I stick by your statement. :P
I mean... a game could move to the point where it turns into a live action role-playing game, then onto a secret underground club where club members fight to the death... for real. :P
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by Pwner1 - 2007-08-14 |
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» Mother*****ers
Slap it with 18+ rating and move along.
Slap it with 18+ rating and move along.
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Re: Crash (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Are you on crack?
If it gets slapped with an 18+ rating nobody will sell it.
If it gets slapped with an 18+ rating nobody will sell it.
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Re: rj (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» I think your wrong
One of the largest industries in america is pornography. That is bascailly the equivalent of an 18+ rating in video games. I would much rather have a came available to adults only than not have it available at all. There just needs to be proof to game developers that they can still turn a profit even without walmart carrying their games.
One of the largest industries in america is pornography. That is bascailly the equivalent of an 18+ rating in video games. I would much rather have a came available to adults only than not have it available at all. There just needs to be proof to game developers that they can still turn a profit even without walmart carrying their games.
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Re: .. (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» ...
kids will ust download the iso if they have too...
kids will ust download the iso if they have too...
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by GGD (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» He's right
The games industry is maturing. While I do believe this game deserves an 18+ rating I think it is the video game console makers that need to losen up and allow all types of games on their console.
So what if a kid could go and buy this game at a store? I'm sure the same kid could go buy an R-rated movie if he really wanted to.
Video games have just as much of a right to be violent as other forms of media entertainment. Yes, it is more interactive, but as violent books in time became violent films, new technology has allowed us to create violent games. It is a progression of technology, not of ideals.
The games industry is maturing. While I do believe this game deserves an 18+ rating I think it is the video game console makers that need to losen up and allow all types of games on their console.
So what if a kid could go and buy this game at a store? I'm sure the same kid could go buy an R-rated movie if he really wanted to.
Video games have just as much of a right to be violent as other forms of media entertainment. Yes, it is more interactive, but as violent books in time became violent films, new technology has allowed us to create violent games. It is a progression of technology, not of ideals.
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by B.B.P (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» obvious
If gamers wanted to back that game up, we would have by now. Without having rockstar tell us to. They are obviously desperate, karma is a *****, sell out to M$ and this is what you get.
If gamers wanted to back that game up, we would have by now. Without having rockstar tell us to. They are obviously desperate, karma is a *****, sell out to M$ and this is what you get.
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by mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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this is why europe needs to come up with some constitution or something. Cuz in the US this would violate the first amendment.
this is why europe needs to come up with some constitution or something. Cuz in the US this would violate the first amendment.
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» You're *****ing stupid!!!!!!!!!
OMFG you're so dumb you just ruined my day by saying such an ignorant stupid comment which shows your great lack of knowledge!!! You're an embarresment and deserve to lie you retard!!! Almost every country in the world (including underdeveloped countries) have a constitution. In fact, did you know that the American Constitution copied from the England's Bill of Rights? In fact, most countries have something similar to the US's first ammendment but there are many exceptions (but there's just too many to name and will make this a very long paragraph). Anyways another information to enrich you, did you know the US is the country which mostly violates it's own constitution? A country where right now the government wiretaps phone, cellphone, cyber, written, verbal, and more kinds of conversations when it's actually against your 4th ammendment. Anyways if you're older than me then shame on you cause I being a 16 year old Puertorican kid on a regular school know much more than you know (and I can also assume you're from the US, and if it's true then thatmakes you a bigger embarresment).
OMFG you're so dumb you just ruined my day by saying such an ignorant stupid comment which shows your great lack of knowledge!!! You're an embarresment and deserve to lie you retard!!! Almost every country in the world (including underdeveloped countries) have a constitution. In fact, did you know that the American Constitution copied from the England's Bill of Rights? In fact, most countries have something similar to the US's first ammendment but there are many exceptions (but there's just too many to name and will make this a very long paragraph). Anyways another information to enrich you, did you know the US is the country which mostly violates it's own constitution? A country where right now the government wiretaps phone, cellphone, cyber, written, verbal, and more kinds of conversations when it's actually against your 4th ammendment. Anyways if you're older than me then shame on you cause I being a 16 year old Puertorican kid on a regular school know much more than you know (and I can also assume you're from the US, and if it's true then thatmakes you a bigger embarresment).
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Re: Barakku (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» Ignorant stupid
Me am talk good now, eh, metalboy? I agree, he deserves to lie, that ass. He may be an embarresment, but what does his mental state have to do with this? Your use of English makes me laugh, metalboy, but I'll forgive you, as it's probably hard to type while masturbating.
Poor grammar+ poor spelling + poor argument + poor concept of reality equals FAIL.
Me am talk good now, eh, metalboy? I agree, he deserves to lie, that ass. He may be an embarresment, but what does his mental state have to do with this? Your use of English makes me laugh, metalboy, but I'll forgive you, as it's probably hard to type while masturbating.
Poor grammar+ poor spelling + poor argument + poor concept of reality equals FAIL.
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Re: metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» @ Barakku
Ok, maybe my english grammar isn't so good since I made around 3 mistakes ("deserve to lie", "from the England's", and forgot a comma once) but I was typing so fast because his comment was very dumb (was desperate to reply to that fool). Also, you should take in consideration that english is my secondary language (maybe if you would have read the whole post you would have known that I'm from Puerto Rico and our primary language (or, in other words, the language we speak regularly throughout our lifes) is spanish.
PS: Poor arguement? Poor concept of reality? Explain why cause it seems that you're being biased against me because I'm against this game being rated by the BBFC.
Ok, maybe my english grammar isn't so good since I made around 3 mistakes ("deserve to lie", "from the England's", and forgot a comma once) but I was typing so fast because his comment was very dumb (was desperate to reply to that fool). Also, you should take in consideration that english is my secondary language (maybe if you would have read the whole post you would have known that I'm from Puerto Rico and our primary language (or, in other words, the language we speak regularly throughout our lifes) is spanish.
PS: Poor arguement? Poor concept of reality? Explain why cause it seems that you're being biased against me because I'm against this game being rated by the BBFC.
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Re: mohaas05 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» stupid
i didn't say each country didn't have a constitution. I said all of europe should enact one constitution there isn't all this conflict between the countries. christ dont get your panties in a wad.
i didn't say each country didn't have a constitution. I said all of europe should enact one constitution there isn't all this conflict between the countries. christ dont get your panties in a wad.
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Re: English dude (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» wtf?
@ metalspector,
Id like to see the evidence that you seem to possess that shows that violent video games lead mentally ill people, into doing crimes that they really wouldn't of done, had they not played them.
It seems your reasoning is just like bread, bread is a gate way food, it leads on to harder things such as caffeine.
98% of all mass murderers ate bread before acting out such atrocities.
99% of violent crimes happen within 24 hours of eating bread.
I live in the UK, my parents are British. if you don't like man hunt 2. go campaign to have it banned in your sh..itty Spanish country. leave the UK for the grown ups and the people who live here.
While I'm at it, learn to use PARAGRAPHS. Man my grammar might be poor, and my spelling is not perfect. but at least I know how to make a comment readable.
Sorry if there are mistakes to my spelling and grammer. its just that your retardedness got me so worked up that i just had to reply to your lack of english knowledge.
@ metalspector,
Id like to see the evidence that you seem to possess that shows that violent video games lead mentally ill people, into doing crimes that they really wouldn't of done, had they not played them.
It seems your reasoning is just like bread, bread is a gate way food, it leads on to harder things such as caffeine.
98% of all mass murderers ate bread before acting out such atrocities.
99% of violent crimes happen within 24 hours of eating bread.
I live in the UK, my parents are British. if you don't like man hunt 2. go campaign to have it banned in your sh..itty Spanish country. leave the UK for the grown ups and the people who live here.
While I'm at it, learn to use PARAGRAPHS. Man my grammar might be poor, and my spelling is not perfect. but at least I know how to make a comment readable.
Sorry if there are mistakes to my spelling and grammer. its just that your retardedness got me so worked up that i just had to reply to your lack of english knowledge.
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Re: megalomanix (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» hurray for english dude!
I don't think it's that kids get violent after playing video games, just that violent kids PLAY video games!
At the risk of sounding psycho, when i get really really pissed, i have two choices.
One, I could throw some punches, be it at someones face or otherwise.
Two, I could go play something like GTA, which usually ends with less things being broken and me being calmed down
I don't think it's that kids get violent after playing video games, just that violent kids PLAY video games!
At the risk of sounding psycho, when i get really really pissed, i have two choices.
One, I could throw some punches, be it at someones face or otherwise.
Two, I could go play something like GTA, which usually ends with less things being broken and me being calmed down
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by BL (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» come on
I wanna download this game already, i mean buy
I wanna download this game already, i mean buy
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Re: fearevil19 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» ;D
;)
;)
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by Mature Gamer (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» Give us the game!
It's not even about the game anymore, it's about the cause. And they need to let gamers decide what games we want to play. We already do that by buying the games. If someone finds it too disturbing to play, they can damn well just stop playing! And if we're paying 3-6 hundred dollars for a gaming console, we should be exposed to all types of games creative developers could think of.
Don't hinder expression of art, because that's what they're doing right now. And ultimately controlling what mature grown up people could play.
It's not even about the game anymore, it's about the cause. And they need to let gamers decide what games we want to play. We already do that by buying the games. If someone finds it too disturbing to play, they can damn well just stop playing! And if we're paying 3-6 hundred dollars for a gaming console, we should be exposed to all types of games creative developers could think of.
Don't hinder expression of art, because that's what they're doing right now. And ultimately controlling what mature grown up people could play.
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Re: fearevil19 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» agreed
couldn't agree more.
couldn't agree more.
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by Sr_Moska - 2007-08-14 |
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» amen!
now you're talking man!
now you're talking man!
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by mr john (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» i support manhunt 2
I support manhunt 2, but what can I do to make a difference?!?!
I support manhunt 2, but what can I do to make a difference?!?!
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by butthole (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» cool
vagina
vagina
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by king kacorot (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» lets go to war on all these damn HATERZ
yo all u people hating on ROCKSTAR can kiss my a$$$$$$, these guys bust there a$$$es for the adult age group because there is barley anything good in this demigraphic and all you horses A$$$ES want to do is bbiittcchh , If u are not oud enough to own the game then STFU, if u are old enough to guy the game and dont like the game then dont buy it ,shut the ffuucckk up with all youre whinning hater a$$$ bull sshhiitt.I LOVE TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE AND ROCKSTAR and they bust there asssses to bring the mature fans quality games , they dont cut corners and release half a$$$ed piece of sshhiitt games like ubisoft did on the wii , they take PRIDE and DETICATION in there work, so learn to appriciate all they do 4 us the consumer and appriciate what they do for the gaming industry.KEEP KICKIN a$$$$$ ROCKSTAR WII GOT YOUR BACKS ALL THE WAY.
yo all u people hating on ROCKSTAR can kiss my a$$$$$$, these guys bust there a$$$es for the adult age group because there is barley anything good in this demigraphic and all you horses A$$$ES want to do is bbiittcchh , If u are not oud enough to own the game then STFU, if u are old enough to guy the game and dont like the game then dont buy it ,shut the ffuucckk up with all youre whinning hater a$$$ bull sshhiitt.I LOVE TAKE 2 INTERACTIVE AND ROCKSTAR and they bust there asssses to bring the mature fans quality games , they dont cut corners and release half a$$$ed piece of sshhiitt games like ubisoft did on the wii , they take PRIDE and DETICATION in there work, so learn to appriciate all they do 4 us the consumer and appriciate what they do for the gaming industry.KEEP KICKIN a$$$$$ ROCKSTAR WII GOT YOUR BACKS ALL THE WAY.
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Re: a$$$$$$ (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» I love a$$$$$$es
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by souleater - 2007-08-14 |
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» ...
metalspector (Unregistered) you are puertorican? from where
metalspector (Unregistered) you are puertorican? from where
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Re: rj (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» umm
Puertorico
Puertorico
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by julien (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» hah
We are an adult entertainment industry
hahaha
We are an adult entertainment industry
hahaha
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by big'uns (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» full respect
max respect to rockstar. it isn't my sort of game but they are 100% right. i am an adult and i want to play adult games. i am damn sick of everything slightly edgy getting the shaft - where's my drugs, sex and violence?
stand united or fall divided!
max respect to rockstar. it isn't my sort of game but they are 100% right. i am an adult and i want to play adult games. i am damn sick of everything slightly edgy getting the shaft - where's my drugs, sex and violence?
stand united or fall divided!
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by lega (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» What?
Games are more artistic than film? On what planet?
Manhunt is to games what torture porn is to film. There are people who worked marketing for the original Manhunt who were sickened by it. Rockstar needs to grow up. At least admit your real reasons for making a game like Manhunt - you think gory death scenes are cool - instead of pretending to be misunderstood artists.
Games are more artistic than film? On what planet?
Manhunt is to games what torture porn is to film. There are people who worked marketing for the original Manhunt who were sickened by it. Rockstar needs to grow up. At least admit your real reasons for making a game like Manhunt - you think gory death scenes are cool - instead of pretending to be misunderstood artists.
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Re: mr toasty (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» man
While i agree manhunt is a bad example of art, Video games are quite artistic.
Think of games like Okami and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, or even Gran Turismo HD.
I think that anyone who has played these games has at least one point had to stop and just think "wow"
While i agree manhunt is a bad example of art, Video games are quite artistic.
Think of games like Okami and Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, or even Gran Turismo HD.
I think that anyone who has played these games has at least one point had to stop and just think "wow"
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Re: btg (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» art
I think your choices are bad examples of games that are artistic as well.
Think Shadow of the Colossus if you want an artistic game.
I think your choices are bad examples of games that are artistic as well.
Think Shadow of the Colossus if you want an artistic game.
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Re: odude (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» ...
Not really... Manhunt is more like Saw or any other violent horror movie out there. You don't see those movies banned or people acting out the same murder scenes from the movie just cuz they've seen them.
Not really... Manhunt is more like Saw or any other violent horror movie out there. You don't see those movies banned or people acting out the same murder scenes from the movie just cuz they've seen them.
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by dssucks (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» @ lega
i'm feeling really good while i'm playing manhunt-so its cool for me. I like hip-hop music playing in the background while im cutting throats in slow-motion! it's so addictive! but c'mon lega, it's only a game (but what a game!)
i'm feeling really good while i'm playing manhunt-so its cool for me. I like hip-hop music playing in the background while im cutting throats in slow-motion! it's so addictive! but c'mon lega, it's only a game (but what a game!)
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by lega (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» @dssucks
Yeah, it's only a game. It's not art. Rockstar should remember that.
Besides, I thought Manhunt was boring.
"So you run around and cut throats?" "Then what?"
"Um... you do it some more."
Yeah, it's only a game. It's not art. Rockstar should remember that.
Besides, I thought Manhunt was boring.
"So you run around and cut throats?" "Then what?"
"Um... you do it some more."
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by Oh (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» come on
How hard is for you people to understand. BLAME THE *****1N PARENTS!!!!
They are responsible for what the kids should and shouldn't play. Don't deny the rest of to play the game as civilized adults. About 98% of parents either have no clue or just don't care. And then they end up crying if their kid becomes a murderer or mentally retarded. (turns up that people end up getting their material from watching movies than they do VGs)
I highly commend the statement made by R* and its right in every way.
How hard is for you people to understand. BLAME THE *****1N PARENTS!!!!
They are responsible for what the kids should and shouldn't play. Don't deny the rest of to play the game as civilized adults. About 98% of parents either have no clue or just don't care. And then they end up crying if their kid becomes a murderer or mentally retarded. (turns up that people end up getting their material from watching movies than they do VGs)
I highly commend the statement made by R* and its right in every way.
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by ... (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» ...
Is it banned in the US too? Or just UK?
Is it banned in the US too? Or just UK?
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by metalspector (Unregistered) - 2007-08-14 |
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» Hey kids
I like g.ay c.ock in my warm but.thole!!!
I like g.ay c.ock in my warm but.thole!!!
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by weapon (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» you dont understand, this IS important
manhunt 1 sucked, and im sure this is more thrill kill violence that necessarily isnt very good either. but thats not whats important here, listen, if we let groups like this ban manhunt 2, its just the start, next its GTA, then its MGS, then its anything that dosent fit the mold, this is about freedom of speech. and for the record this and every other video game ever has NEVER EVER EVER killed anyone, or forced people to die. That is just ridiculous idiocy. A) if your under 18 you shouldnt be playing M rated games without your parents consent B) if your that messed up in your head its not because manhunt gave you an outlet that your screwed up head decided to emulate.
this isnt about the game itself its about the right to make whatever you want in a free market. This game isnt porn, it dosent deserve an AO rating and giving it that, destroys rockstar in the end as they spent millions making a game they cant even sell, whether it sucks or not.
manhunt 1 sucked, and im sure this is more thrill kill violence that necessarily isnt very good either. but thats not whats important here, listen, if we let groups like this ban manhunt 2, its just the start, next its GTA, then its MGS, then its anything that dosent fit the mold, this is about freedom of speech. and for the record this and every other video game ever has NEVER EVER EVER killed anyone, or forced people to die. That is just ridiculous idiocy. A) if your under 18 you shouldnt be playing M rated games without your parents consent B) if your that messed up in your head its not because manhunt gave you an outlet that your screwed up head decided to emulate.
this isnt about the game itself its about the right to make whatever you want in a free market. This game isnt porn, it dosent deserve an AO rating and giving it that, destroys rockstar in the end as they spent millions making a game they cant even sell, whether it sucks or not.
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Re: weapon (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» no way
it is indeed, look at the politicians that are eating it up, it is about the money. the ENTIRE video game business is about the money.
it is indeed, look at the politicians that are eating it up, it is about the money. the ENTIRE video game business is about the money.
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Re: pro (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» wow
zomgzomgzomg
Oh my god are you serious?!?! They are trying to make money?!?! Those evil miss leading bastards, i mean what kind of company trys to make money?!?! LOL think about what your saying before you make a trendy comment you economics wizard you
zomgzomgzomg
Oh my god are you serious?!?! They are trying to make money?!?! Those evil miss leading bastards, i mean what kind of company trys to make money?!?! LOL think about what your saying before you make a trendy comment you economics wizard you
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by anon (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» ffs, we're all gonna die!!!
You may as well ban the muslim religion then! They go ahead and tell people that they are to take over the world, so you get nutcases like bin laden etc who try to do just that. Hell, I've seen the kids who are trained from young that that it what they're supposed to do!
Yet a few kids who play the video games (which I hasten to add aren't meant to be for them anyway) are going to go and kill etc just because of the game! Get real. It's society as a whole. Parents need to look after their kids and watch what they're doing. They need to interact with them!
You may as well ban the muslim religion then! They go ahead and tell people that they are to take over the world, so you get nutcases like bin laden etc who try to do just that. Hell, I've seen the kids who are trained from young that that it what they're supposed to do!
Yet a few kids who play the video games (which I hasten to add aren't meant to be for them anyway) are going to go and kill etc just because of the game! Get real. It's society as a whole. Parents need to look after their kids and watch what they're doing. They need to interact with them!
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by Adam (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Freedom? What me worry?
This world has officially gone ape *****! You can't do anything without bible thumpers and over protective parents jumping down your throat. How about instead of the government taking responsibility for your children, you take some responsibility and know what your kids are playing. I personally don't want the things I do determined by if it's good for a young child. I am ADULT, I want to play ADULT games.
This world has officially gone ape *****! You can't do anything without bible thumpers and over protective parents jumping down your throat. How about instead of the government taking responsibility for your children, you take some responsibility and know what your kids are playing. I personally don't want the things I do determined by if it's good for a young child. I am ADULT, I want to play ADULT games.
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by Tim (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» this thread is an embarrassment
the people who use this website are clearly all wankers. just goes to show that the wii is a victim of it's own success opening the market to be more accessable to more people i.e. more tw@ts ie the majority of people who have posted above.
the people who use this website are clearly all wankers. just goes to show that the wii is a victim of it's own success opening the market to be more accessable to more people i.e. more tw@ts ie the majority of people who have posted above.
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by Cro Ralee (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Games don't kill people. People kill people.
Ok, so some kids that play violent games become violent killers.
I think that is because their parents failed them. If their parents had taken responsibility for their kids, and parented them, they would feel more secure. That would make them less violent.
How do I know the parents failed them? Why were they playing violent video games unsupervised?
Ok, so some kids that play violent games become violent killers.
I think that is because their parents failed them. If their parents had taken responsibility for their kids, and parented them, they would feel more secure. That would make them less violent.
How do I know the parents failed them? Why were they playing violent video games unsupervised?
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by ReverendWolf (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Brought to you by the Letter E
I would love to see what kind of sesame street world we would live in if everything we did was dictated by the understanding and impressionability of children. How would we grow and mature if everything we allowed ourselves to be exposed to was created for people of a (no more than) seventh grade reading level?
I would love to see what kind of sesame street world we would live in if everything we did was dictated by the understanding and impressionability of children. How would we grow and mature if everything we allowed ourselves to be exposed to was created for people of a (no more than) seventh grade reading level?
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by Stradigos (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» No rally for me
Attack on the video game industry my foot. All rockstar does it produce immoral, violent games that go right past fun into sinister, cruel entertainment. I will never ever buy a game from them nor will I ever work for them. I can't even take them seriously. To me, they are outlaws being punished for trying to mame America and other countries but filling people's head with their garbage. There BS games should end right here along with their sad attempt to 'push the limits of the industry.'
Attack on the video game industry... psh, try attack on this nations morals and ethics. It's basically a terrorist training game. I'd really like to hear an end to their sad, sad song that they are not getting treated fairly. I'm sorry but they're getting treated the way they should, with the exact 'fairness' someone on trail for murder would be.
On a parting note, the words Paris Hilton and Rockstar are the same to me.
Attack on the video game industry my foot. All rockstar does it produce immoral, violent games that go right past fun into sinister, cruel entertainment. I will never ever buy a game from them nor will I ever work for them. I can't even take them seriously. To me, they are outlaws being punished for trying to mame America and other countries but filling people's head with their garbage. There BS games should end right here along with their sad attempt to 'push the limits of the industry.'
Attack on the video game industry... psh, try attack on this nations morals and ethics. It's basically a terrorist training game. I'd really like to hear an end to their sad, sad song that they are not getting treated fairly. I'm sorry but they're getting treated the way they should, with the exact 'fairness' someone on trail for murder would be.
On a parting note, the words Paris Hilton and Rockstar are the same to me.
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Re: SKM8607 (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» So
Bottom Line. Everyone needs to grow up and take responsibility for themselves and their own actions. This game was produced for a niche market. To some fun, to others its over the top.
Perfect comparison is comparing Rodriguez's Planet Terror (Part of the Grindhouse film released in 2006) He pushes the envelope in that film. Just like Rockstar is pushing the envelope here. You don't like it? Don't buy it. Make sure your kids aren't subjected to it. But by God don't tell me or anyone else what is good for us. Please.
But lets alllll be honest with ourselves here on this little quabble. The game hasn't even been released. We don't know HOW far it pushes the envelope or HOW gruesome it really is. We're just going on what the media is saying. You know what I say? Let the CONSUMER decide.
So before you get all "May God rain down fire upon you for your beliefs," let me just say this. Its a video game. Grow up.
P.S. A terrorist training game? Do you even know what the plot or story is?
P.S.S. You think this is morally and ethically wrong? Go check out Postal 2. Then talk. Honestly theres ALOT of worse things out there. Just because this is a major publisher is the only reason it's getting so much grief. I say Hurrah Rockstar, keep pushing the envelope and give em' Hell.
Bottom Line. Everyone needs to grow up and take responsibility for themselves and their own actions. This game was produced for a niche market. To some fun, to others its over the top.
Perfect comparison is comparing Rodriguez's Planet Terror (Part of the Grindhouse film released in 2006) He pushes the envelope in that film. Just like Rockstar is pushing the envelope here. You don't like it? Don't buy it. Make sure your kids aren't subjected to it. But by God don't tell me or anyone else what is good for us. Please.
But lets alllll be honest with ourselves here on this little quabble. The game hasn't even been released. We don't know HOW far it pushes the envelope or HOW gruesome it really is. We're just going on what the media is saying. You know what I say? Let the CONSUMER decide.
So before you get all "May God rain down fire upon you for your beliefs," let me just say this. Its a video game. Grow up.
P.S. A terrorist training game? Do you even know what the plot or story is?
P.S.S. You think this is morally and ethically wrong? Go check out Postal 2. Then talk. Honestly theres ALOT of worse things out there. Just because this is a major publisher is the only reason it's getting so much grief. I say Hurrah Rockstar, keep pushing the envelope and give em' Hell.
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Re: Adam (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» Stradigos? More like Jackass
Someone please copy and paste this to Wikipedia, under the word Jackass. A terrorist training game.....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA loonies like this are the reason companies can't make the games they want to make. You just compared a video game to murdering people. YOU ARE A TOOL.
Someone please copy and paste this to Wikipedia, under the word Jackass. A terrorist training game.....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHA loonies like this are the reason companies can't make the games they want to make. You just compared a video game to murdering people. YOU ARE A TOOL.
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Re: Psyberslayer (Unregistered) - 2007-08-15 |
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» OK
You are the reason that people go out and kill other people. People like you who are overbearing and overprotective that sqaush everyones right to think for themselves, and trying to ram "religion" and your "morals and ethics" down everyones throats. If you don't like it - Don't buy it! Speak with your wallets, not your pieholes. Religion has killed more people than video games, movies, and music could EVER dream of combined.
Having someone tell you something is bad makes you want it even more. It's human nature. Just don't buy it, watch it, listen to it, or support it. Change the channel! Whining about how bad and imoral something is in a forum for the people who actually enjoy said "bad thing" won't make it go away. Go find other like-minded people and whine to them, and join with them to boycott the item. Hit the makers of the item in the wallet. It'll do more damage.
PS. I played Manhunt one and felt it was repetitive and got old fast. But I love the GTA series and would like more"Adult only" games. I don't like being told I can't have something just becasue someone else is offended by it. Noone is forcing YOU to buy it and play it.
You are the reason that people go out and kill other people. People like you who are overbearing and overprotective that sqaush everyones right to think for themselves, and trying to ram "religion" and your "morals and ethics" down everyones throats. If you don't like it - Don't buy it! Speak with your wallets, not your pieholes. Religion has killed more people than video games, movies, and music could EVER dream of combined.
Having someone tell you something is bad makes you want it even more. It's human nature. Just don't buy it, watch it, listen to it, or support it. Change the channel! Whining about how bad and imoral something is in a forum for the people who actually enjoy said "bad thing" won't make it go away. Go find other like-minded people and whine to them, and join with them to boycott the item. Hit the makers of the item in the wallet. It'll do more damage.
PS. I played Manhunt one and felt it was repetitive and got old fast. But I love the GTA series and would like more"Adult only" games. I don't like being told I can't have something just becasue someone else is offended by it. Noone is forcing YOU to buy it and play it.
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