Posted May 24, 2008 at 09:55PM by Sally B.
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Will this finally be the unbeatable solution to the rampant problem of gaming piracy? According to Nolan Bushnell, founder of Atari, a certain TPM chip will eventually make piracy a thing of the past. What exactly is this TPM chip? Apparently, it is a stealth encryption chip that is currently being built into the latest motherboards. Bushnell further explained: What that says is that in the games business we will be able to encrypt with an absolutely verifiable private key in the encryption world - which is uncrackable by people on the internet and by giving away passwords - which will allow for a huge market to develop in some of the areas where piracy has been a real problem. However, this doesn't mean that it will also apply with video and music files, which the Atari founder deemed unstoppable. That makes sense, since some enterprising people resort to capturing movies using video cameras, while they are being played in theatres. Now, how can you apply encryption on that? Gaming, of course, is another story. "Games are a different thing, because games are so integrated with the code," Bushnell said. How will this TPM chip affect regions where software piracy reins supreme? Do stick around for more updates. |
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» "What exactly is this TPM chip?"
http://www.intel.com/products/glossary/body.htm#tpm
TPM (Trusted Platform Module)
A Trusted Platform Module is a hardware device that is connected to a platform's motherboard and is used to validate the identity and operating parameters of a computer or device used in a trusted computing environment. The TPM and the data stored within it are isolated from all other components on a platform. In addition, TPMs aren't interchangeable between platforms. TPMs protect users' data by generating a distinct digital signature that verifies the exact platform and hard drive from which data is to be accessed.
http://www.intel.com/products/glossary/body.htm#tpm
TPM (Trusted Platform Module)
A Trusted Platform Module is a hardware device that is connected to a platform's motherboard and is used to validate the identity and operating parameters of a computer or device used in a trusted computing environment. The TPM and the data stored within it are isolated from all other components on a platform. In addition, TPMs aren't interchangeable between platforms. TPMs protect users' data by generating a distinct digital signature that verifies the exact platform and hard drive from which data is to be accessed.
» Waste of time and money
Ultimately, I think encryption is a waste of time and money.
You spend countless hours and funds creating an encryption scene only to have it be cracked 1-3 years.
And for what?
People who want to use illegal things are going to do so.
And if you put encryption on a popular widespread item (like....uh....PCs!!!), it's only going to get cracked all the faster.
And for the last time, nothing is uncrackable. It's the risk you take when dealing with electronics.
Putting encryption on things only delays the inevitable, and will only result in users complaining when it screws up their gameplay or when it prevents people from freely moving their purchased content.
Ultimately, I think encryption is a waste of time and money.
You spend countless hours and funds creating an encryption scene only to have it be cracked 1-3 years.
And for what?
People who want to use illegal things are going to do so.
And if you put encryption on a popular widespread item (like....uh....PCs!!!), it's only going to get cracked all the faster.
And for the last time, nothing is uncrackable. It's the risk you take when dealing with electronics.
Putting encryption on things only delays the inevitable, and will only result in users complaining when it screws up their gameplay or when it prevents people from freely moving their purchased content.
» -
As a dev myself I'm not too happy with piracy and I don't pirate games myself but "unbreakable" encryption has always been... well... broken in due time.
As a dev myself I'm not too happy with piracy and I don't pirate games myself but "unbreakable" encryption has always been... well... broken in due time.
» and this myth still continues...
that they think if they can completely stop piracy then ppl will suddenly start buying all these games they were pirating. I don't know about you guys. I have games that I bought that I never even bother to pirate at all. And for those game I played in pirate I never even consider buying them in the first place. Why do I do that you ask? I am just curious and mainly because I could, period. If they aren't available sure I'll not even bother with them. So will that help their sales? Well, take a guess. Will I be kicking myself if I missed this big release title because I can't afford it or I don't have this system? Nope, I kick myself not buying enough AAPL shares in 2002 or not jumping in energy stocks soon enough but never for a video game.
that they think if they can completely stop piracy then ppl will suddenly start buying all these games they were pirating. I don't know about you guys. I have games that I bought that I never even bother to pirate at all. And for those game I played in pirate I never even consider buying them in the first place. Why do I do that you ask? I am just curious and mainly because I could, period. If they aren't available sure I'll not even bother with them. So will that help their sales? Well, take a guess. Will I be kicking myself if I missed this big release title because I can't afford it or I don't have this system? Nope, I kick myself not buying enough AAPL shares in 2002 or not jumping in energy stocks soon enough but never for a video game.
» How to apply encryption to theaters?
Flood the theater with infrared! Ever point a IF tv remote at a video camera? the human invisible light is overpowering and would defeat most cameras.
Complete solution? No. Heres a complete solution. Accept that some people will never go to a theater. The movie may never play where some people live. they will download the movie. how about movie industry release a drm free divx download on the day of theater release at ultrahigh bandwidth for 2 or 3 bucks? cut illegal downloads in half and increase profits tremendously. People who buy dvds typically buy them for the extras and the higher resolution. They still would. Come on, get with the 90s.
Flood the theater with infrared! Ever point a IF tv remote at a video camera? the human invisible light is overpowering and would defeat most cameras.
Complete solution? No. Heres a complete solution. Accept that some people will never go to a theater. The movie may never play where some people live. they will download the movie. how about movie industry release a drm free divx download on the day of theater release at ultrahigh bandwidth for 2 or 3 bucks? cut illegal downloads in half and increase profits tremendously. People who buy dvds typically buy them for the extras and the higher resolution. They still would. Come on, get with the 90s.
» What the....
I thought this article was about the PSP, then I clicked the "GameIndustry" link and I found out that the "motherboards" this guy is talking about is for computers, NOT PSP.
This TPM chip is to stop piracy of PC games...
Kinda strange for QJ to leave that out...
I thought this article was about the PSP, then I clicked the "GameIndustry" link and I found out that the "motherboards" this guy is talking about is for computers, NOT PSP.
This TPM chip is to stop piracy of PC games...
Kinda strange for QJ to leave that out...
» you can infer....
usually when people use the word "motherboards" without any other reference, more than likely you can assume they are talking about PCs.
usually when people use the word "motherboards" without any other reference, more than likely you can assume they are talking about PCs.
» -
True, but if this works for PC you can bet anything you want that it'll hit consoles and handhelds.
Piracy is a problem and it needs fixing IMO. I just don't think it'll be quashed for many years to come.
True, but if this works for PC you can bet anything you want that it'll hit consoles and handhelds.
Piracy is a problem and it needs fixing IMO. I just don't think it'll be quashed for many years to come.
» fail
This will not work. For example: the PSP does have a hardware encryption chips (KIRK and SPOCK) used decrypt signed data (like the official EBOOTs), and this never stopped PSP piracy. All hackers need to do basically is dump the original decrypted data, and then find a way to make any system load this data without passing trough the encryption system.
This will not work. For example: the PSP does have a hardware encryption chips (KIRK and SPOCK) used decrypt signed data (like the official EBOOTs), and this never stopped PSP piracy. All hackers need to do basically is dump the original decrypted data, and then find a way to make any system load this data without passing trough the encryption system.
» that is...
exacly what I thought. If there is no data the game needs, you only have to find a way to simply skip the encryption system.
besides, this is not the first time something claimed absolutely sure. In fact, everybody claimed that from their security technology. And?
they were ALL cracked. I#m not supporting piracy , but that are simply facts.
Secure, sure....but how long?
I give it a half-year...
exacly what I thought. If there is no data the game needs, you only have to find a way to simply skip the encryption system.
besides, this is not the first time something claimed absolutely sure. In fact, everybody claimed that from their security technology. And?
they were ALL cracked. I#m not supporting piracy , but that are simply facts.
Secure, sure....but how long?
I give it a half-year...
» Mod chip anyone?
Won't take long for the mod chip devs to come up with a by-pass chip to allow unencrypted code to run. And with systems these days running standard USB 2.0 interfaces what would stop them from making a homebrew app that works in conjunction with the mod chip to capture the keys for game backups via the network cable like we did with the DreamCast or for a PC TDM chip emulator to copy a disc direct to a PC's hard drive? Absolutely nothing! Look at the Mac OS X86 project, they develope TDM emulators for installing/running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware so there's little to stop someone for making one for backing up console games. Piracy and Anti-Piracy has been and always will be a never ending "Cat & Mouse" game.
Won't take long for the mod chip devs to come up with a by-pass chip to allow unencrypted code to run. And with systems these days running standard USB 2.0 interfaces what would stop them from making a homebrew app that works in conjunction with the mod chip to capture the keys for game backups via the network cable like we did with the DreamCast or for a PC TDM chip emulator to copy a disc direct to a PC's hard drive? Absolutely nothing! Look at the Mac OS X86 project, they develope TDM emulators for installing/running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware so there's little to stop someone for making one for backing up console games. Piracy and Anti-Piracy has been and always will be a never ending "Cat & Mouse" game.
» haha Ron Overdrive reminded me of this,
the fight between piracy and anti piracy is a vicious circle. One side gets something new the other side cracks or bypasses the first side blocks their methods the second side develops new methods. The only way to completely eradicate piracy would be to stop producing any type of electronics that can be copied or reproduced, which will hopefully never happen. Also this is a conundrum. How to stop piracy? How to stop piracy? Lol enjoy your summers guys and gals.
the fight between piracy and anti piracy is a vicious circle. One side gets something new the other side cracks or bypasses the first side blocks their methods the second side develops new methods. The only way to completely eradicate piracy would be to stop producing any type of electronics that can be copied or reproduced, which will hopefully never happen. Also this is a conundrum. How to stop piracy? How to stop piracy? Lol enjoy your summers guys and gals.
» hmmm
i like how he says "a thing of the past" but :/ it's a hardware encryption.....what's stopping a mod chip from being made to overide the tpm chip? i dont think that is unstopable
i like how he says "a thing of the past" but :/ it's a hardware encryption.....what's stopping a mod chip from being made to overide the tpm chip? i dont think that is unstopable
» Evil!
This chip is evil!!! If anyone remembers MS' Palladium project this is the start of it... Eventually they plan to embed it into the processors so it will be pretty much unstoppable within reasonable means. This will not only prevent backups from running but it will also prevent alternate OSes from running on the hardware as well as unencrypted/unsigned code. I read this info from an article a while back so hopefully the effects aren't as far reaching as that. If they are then even hobbyist programmers will suffer consequences.
This chip is evil!!! If anyone remembers MS' Palladium project this is the start of it... Eventually they plan to embed it into the processors so it will be pretty much unstoppable within reasonable means. This will not only prevent backups from running but it will also prevent alternate OSes from running on the hardware as well as unencrypted/unsigned code. I read this info from an article a while back so hopefully the effects aren't as far reaching as that. If they are then even hobbyist programmers will suffer consequences.
» Glad someone else remembered
I sure had a feeling of Deja Vu when reading the article. I forgot about Palladium. More than just 'alternate OSes', Palladium was about stopping CD-rips, MP3's and EVERYTHING. It was a 'backdoor' concept to get everyone to buy what essentially was going to be a useless PC (at least in terms of what most of us think of a PC being able to do). Flashing forward to NOW, with things like Vista and HDMI ....one has to wonder HOW people are going to crack that. You have to figure that TPM could probably 'talk' directly to HDMI and just shut down the display immediately upon any intrusion-detection. Not much hacking is going to be going-on if you can't see what's going on.
I sure had a feeling of Deja Vu when reading the article. I forgot about Palladium. More than just 'alternate OSes', Palladium was about stopping CD-rips, MP3's and EVERYTHING. It was a 'backdoor' concept to get everyone to buy what essentially was going to be a useless PC (at least in terms of what most of us think of a PC being able to do). Flashing forward to NOW, with things like Vista and HDMI ....one has to wonder HOW people are going to crack that. You have to figure that TPM could probably 'talk' directly to HDMI and just shut down the display immediately upon any intrusion-detection. Not much hacking is going to be going-on if you can't see what's going on.
» I think it will work
I actually think this encryption will work against piracy and wont be broken (Im saying this statement loosely), First, if everyone with those MBs has its own specific encryption and personal code, its unlikely that any developers or hackers are going to find a way to crack everyones original encryption. I think they would be able to crack their own. Instead, I see developers selling these motherboards after soldering this chip off, thats what I think will keep the piracy going.
I actually think this encryption will work against piracy and wont be broken (Im saying this statement loosely), First, if everyone with those MBs has its own specific encryption and personal code, its unlikely that any developers or hackers are going to find a way to crack everyones original encryption. I think they would be able to crack their own. Instead, I see developers selling these motherboards after soldering this chip off, thats what I think will keep the piracy going.
» AMAZING news
This is amazing news, everyone. Because, until now, we didn't know Nolan Bushnell was retarded.
It takes zero days to crack a program that refuses to run on a computer without a valid CD. It will take zero days to crack a program that runs on any computer. It's all a matter of NOPing/replacing the right code.
As long as you have access to the hardware, nothing is impossible.
This is amazing news, everyone. Because, until now, we didn't know Nolan Bushnell was retarded.
It takes zero days to crack a program that refuses to run on a computer without a valid CD. It will take zero days to crack a program that runs on any computer. It's all a matter of NOPing/replacing the right code.
As long as you have access to the hardware, nothing is impossible.
» Why this wont work
Its simple why this wont work. Its hardware thats required to be installed on you existing sets. Now i dont think i would buy anything like this would you ? So simple just dont buy mobo's with TMP. Theres no ways every manufactors gonna follow suite with this they would take huges sales hits. Even if it becomes a standered for all boards there will be some companys that wont do it (grey market) so its deff not the end.
Its simple why this wont work. Its hardware thats required to be installed on you existing sets. Now i dont think i would buy anything like this would you ? So simple just dont buy mobo's with TMP. Theres no ways every manufactors gonna follow suite with this they would take huges sales hits. Even if it becomes a standered for all boards there will be some companys that wont do it (grey market) so its deff not the end.
» LMFAO @ "uncrackable"
This guy obviously has no clue what he's talking about. PSP 3.xx firmware was supposed to be uncrackable, I think 360's were supposed to be uncrackable, I mean jesus there was an HD-DVD encryption that got cracked BEFORE it even hit the market only proving what a waste of time and money that was.
All these encryptions are are stalls. There's honestly no sense in putting them out and to say something is uncrackable only boosts the determination of the people who WILL crack it.
This guy obviously has no clue what he's talking about. PSP 3.xx firmware was supposed to be uncrackable, I think 360's were supposed to be uncrackable, I mean jesus there was an HD-DVD encryption that got cracked BEFORE it even hit the market only proving what a waste of time and money that was.
All these encryptions are are stalls. There's honestly no sense in putting them out and to say something is uncrackable only boosts the determination of the people who WILL crack it.
» >>Lulz
>Boots_Megamix
Correct, sir.
Though it will take a long time for this all to kick in. Some day people will be required to update motheboards because they want to play a new game that requires a TPM chip. This will piss many people off.
Though I don't think a virtual-layer or TPM chip emulator would be too far off. Simply software that intercepts all data the TPM chip would get normally and just allow everything, assuming we can crack the encryption in this life time.
Definately.. this is a waste of time, though I'm giddy to see how this pans out. If It's only Intel in the beginning.. Lots of people will be saying "Helloooo, AMD!."
>Boots_Megamix
Correct, sir.
Though it will take a long time for this all to kick in. Some day people will be required to update motheboards because they want to play a new game that requires a TPM chip. This will piss many people off.
Though I don't think a virtual-layer or TPM chip emulator would be too far off. Simply software that intercepts all data the TPM chip would get normally and just allow everything, assuming we can crack the encryption in this life time.
Definately.. this is a waste of time, though I'm giddy to see how this pans out. If It's only Intel in the beginning.. Lots of people will be saying "Helloooo, AMD!."
» re: lulz
Intel already incorporated TDM chips on their boards and they're commonly used on the Mac motherboards. Emulators for those chips are already being used for installing/running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware. So an emulator wouldn't be that far off since there's already experience out there making these things.
Intel already incorporated TDM chips on their boards and they're commonly used on the Mac motherboards. Emulators for those chips are already being used for installing/running Mac OS X on non-Apple hardware. So an emulator wouldn't be that far off since there's already experience out there making these things.
» stupid
People will just avoid buying TPM chipped boards. I don't see how this will have any effect on the problem.
People will just avoid buying TPM chipped boards. I don't see how this will have any effect on the problem.
» Just don´t buy it
Nobody is forced to buy this crap.
I think that there will allways be devices that don´t use this chip, which will then be preferred by costumers.
Nobody is forced to buy this crap.
I think that there will allways be devices that don´t use this chip, which will then be preferred by costumers.
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