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Same thing here. We cannot presume any sort of "loss of confidence" by Namco Bandai (or even the Project Aces) on the PS3 - not with 
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by reaperchad (Unregistered) - 2007-03-24 |
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long article thats all i can say lol
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Re: xche78x - 2007-03-25 |
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i read 2/3 then skipped here.
ps3 is not just loosing but it is also sharing its skies and space and even undergrounds and underwaters with the 360. with most ps3 titles also coming out for 360, no 360 user can be persuaded to change sides since most games also comes out for their platform. now im thinking what good is winning the long run when you lose 2/3rd's of the starting run.
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Re: Coc (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
OWNED 360 USERS.
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by lulz (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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too long; didn't read
lol jk
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by Strangler (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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how is microsoft managing to take away all these preivously sony exclusive franchises like ace combat or devil may cry when the dreamcast also had a head start and sales lead on the ps2 and it never did? I dont get it. Infact I dont get why so many ppl and the media and the message baords fell for sonys hype saying the psp had way better graphics than the dreamcast despite the specs listing the dreamcast ahead in many aspects even at the time like video ram?
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by Drmcstford (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Money talks is all i got to say
MS is how jim jones would say BALLIN!!!!!!!! haha
Metal Gear Solid and Final Fantasy get ready MS is bringing out the check book haha
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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MS won't get RPGs like FF for one reason: The Live Requirement. RPGs are still largely single player affairs, and heavy on story. Squeezing in an online component edges out story, especially if you're limited to a single DVD. FF12 was already 3.8 GBs, so there's no way they'll be able to fit 13 on a single DVD and have room for an online component too.
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Wow good try with the poor excuse. Online isn't a requirement on the 360 platform it's just so cheap to implement that basically all publishers add it to their titles. Some titles just have online leaderboards if multiplayer online play just isn't possible on the title. I sure titles like Blue Dragon (RPG) are one of those titles.
FF13 doesn't need to fit on 1 single DVD. Up to 3 discs would be perfectly acceptable. Changing a disc every 10 to 20 hours of game play isn't a disadvantage. Again, Blue Dragon has 3 discs and it doesn't take away from the experience one single bit.
Sony fans like yourself like to beleive that there will be titles that just aren't possible on the 360. But the truth is the 2 systems are very close in gaming power and abilities that any title could successfully run on both platforms.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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but not likely. Also remember that FF is huge in Japan, a market in which SE tests out their RPGs, and in which the 360 has very little presence. From that perspective, they'd be making a 360 version for 2 1/2 markets. Whether or not FF13 hits the 360, the really fun and innovative titles (ahem... White Knight) are still Sony bound, as it's a guaranteed market, whereas the 360 is still mostly FPS centered. Trotting out Blue Dragon (or worse: Enchanted Arms - bad on any console) doesn't really prove anything considering that the gameplay is just a rehash of FF5's job system. While I liked FF5 alright, it's hardly comparable to even just the titles that are still coming out for the PS2 (Rogue Galaxy, Ar Tonelico, Disgaea 2, etc...)
And it's also silly to call me a Sony fanboy when I've owned both systems (sold my Premium until Zephyr and Blue Dragon are available).
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Although Japan is a key market for the FF titles the majority of title sales come from Europe and US. The other problem is the PS3 is getting dominated by the Wii in Japan and the install base is building up slower than expected. It's obvious to publishers the 360 is going to be a major player this generation and the next. And it seems MS is offering big incentives to publishers to bring popular third party titles to their platform. Lost Odyssey will be a key title for the 360 if FF13 doesn't make it to the 360.
Personally I don't think the 360 is FPS centered. It has a diverse range of titles. Yes the most popular titles are FPS but that's because it's an expensive machine and the demographic that can afford it are primary into FPS games. The number 1 selling PS3 game is a FPS. Mass Effect, Blue Dragon + Lost Odyssey are 3 huge RPGs coming to the 360 this year, not to forget DMC4. The 360 has some awesome games and I'm blown away by the number of great titles in all genres that are coming this year. The PS3 and the Wii has some great titles as well.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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FFXII sold 2.4 million in Japan out of 4.93 million total, so almost half of all FFXII sales did come from Japan. While the Wii is selling very well, there aren't many RPGs planned for it at the moment. Time will tell, I'm sure as to whether or not Nintendo will court RPG makers with classic controller bundles (Fire Emblem will lead the way here, I'm sure) or with other incentives. Doesn't negate the fact that SE's main market (Japan, as shown above) has very few 360's and is already at 800,000 PS3's or so. Also, the number one game in overall sales (according to Kotaku) is actually Ridge Racer, not Resistance. While Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon look interesting, Mass Effect is a very action oriented RPG that's not playing to the same crowd that loves the games I previously mentioned (DMC4 isn't an RPG at all, it's an action game). The 360 is a cool platform, but it's very shooter oriented, and it looks to only be inviting token examples of other games to the party at the moment. There was a version of Spectral Souls for the 360, but it never made it to the US. So much for simultaneous launches and US gamers not getting shut out. If MS is really devoted to their people, they should open up the wireless controller specs, so there can be wireless guitars for Guitar Hero, make the HD easily upgradable, and court oddball studios like (but not limited to) NIS America. Otherwise, the market's not going to change as much as most people think. It's all about the games, y'know?
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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Okay, RR7 is probably only the best seller in Japan, but I can't get any solid numbers on it in NA. Resistance didn't do quite as well as RR7 there, but did very well here, so you're probably right for the moment. That is, until Motorstorm overtakes 'em both. ;)
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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I own over 45 360 titles and only 3 of them are shooters (Gears of Ware, Lost Planet and Just Cause). My collection seems to defy your logic. Ace Combat and DMC4 definitely aren't shooters so and can see that MS is bringing more non FPS games as time goes on. Really it's up to developers to bring the titles to the console and as the install base grows the more that expands.
And yes Mass Affect is an action-RPG, anyway it's a popular non FPS title coming to the console.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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Whether or not you have a lot of non-FPS games, the big sellers for the console are still FPSs - that's the 360's bread and butter. Anecdotal evidence can be manipulated anyway you like it, but it doesn't change the fact that there just isn't the same critical mass of RPGs and other in-between-genre titles that are currently on the PS2. Some of those may go multi-platform, and some of them will go to handhelds, but that still likely leaves the lion's share with the Playstation platform - which means they'll probably hit the PS3 later in it's life cycle.
My point with the action RPG thing is that they're just tacking stats on to third person hack-n-slashers and calling them RPGs, and that just doesn't sell to the same audience as FF, Xenosaga, or Rogue Galaxy. And that's the crux of the issue. The 360 seems to introduce "action" into almost everything it touches. Pinata's aside, there doesn't seem to be room for sprite based games or quirky "long tail" titles in MS's next gen. I see a lot of that on the PS2 (which the implicit promise of PS3 presence later), and in all of Nintendo's platforms, but it's oddly lacking on the 360. Let's hope that changes.
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Oblivion, Madden, Crackdown, Saint's Row, Fight Night Round 3, Need for Speed, Dead or Alive 4, Dead Rising have all had platinum sales on the 360, so FPS aren't the only titles moving off store shelves. FPS are popular for online play and that's the main reason they are so successful on the 360 (and Xbox 1). Now that the PS3 has goofed it's lead and the 360 is outselling the PS3 in North America and looking like it's going to in Europe as well, publishers are moving their titles to the 360. Even SE has licensed Unreal Engine 3 a cross platform engine and that is a key sign that they have noticed the 360. Good games on the 360 is something I'm just not worried about, having the money to buy all the ones I want is. 2007 is going to be an awesome year for gaming.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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But you're still not listening to what I've said. Many of those (Madden sells on just about any platform - sorry, that doesn't count for anything) are extremely action oriented titles that appeal mainly to the same FPS fans that are buying games to stall until Halo3. FFXII was panned by a lot of RPG fans for being too action oriented. MS's solution to the RPG player's woes? More action! Sorry, it just doesn't work for me. I hope that more BD/LO types make it to the 360, but Eternal Sonata and the previous two don't make up for the 10-15 RPGs that will be out for the PS platforms in the same time frame. Nor does can it account for the evolutionary stuff that Level 5 is doing on the platform with no load times in Rogue Galaxy right now, or the incredible gameplay style in White Knight Story later. It's going to take more than just playing "catch-up" to usurp SE. Again, there would be no reason for MS to basically found Mistwalker if SE was already going to put FF13 or other flagship RPGs on the 360.
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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MS secured Mistwalker to pump out Japanese titles exclusive for the console. Sony doesn't own SE and I know it's concerning a lot of Sony fans (like yourself) about the possibility of their titles coming to the 360. The 360 isn't a follow up from a 120 million selling console, it's building new IPs and pulling old ones over one by one. MS goal as stated by Shaun Kim is to bring all popular third party titles to the 360 and compete with Sony on first party titles, while delivering more reasonable priced console, a larger catalog of games and better services. Seems to be working quite well. Do I need to build a list of PS3 exclusives that have moved other so far? With 360 hardware and software sales continuing to be strong why do you think that trend is not going to continue? If your purely after all the old Sony Japanese RPGs stick with a PS3. Honestly I have no interest in Rogue Galaxy, neither did most people with a PS2.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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because there's absolutely no indication that SE is actually going to do this. The entire rumor of FFXIII and MGS4 was based on a MS Employee's wish list. You're guessing based on what you wish to happen, but not listening when I point out that most FF titles, unless they are break-out hits like FFVII + FFX, make half their sales in Japan where there is almost no 360 install base. It doesn't make any sense from a monetary stance, whether or not I like any console. So until I see something besides wishful thinking, why should I believe what you're saying?
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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I never said it was 100% certain but it seems more likely than ever. The main reason cross platform is going to be critical this generation is because Sony isn't going to have majority market share. Sony it's even going to be the market leader in Japan. What a shocker. If you can't see the impact that is going to have on the industry, I'm sorry.
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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*Sony (PS3) isn't even going to be the market leader in Japan.*
Ayrkain I respect your opinion it's just I can't agree on your views. Good luck with your PS3.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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There just isn't any indication it will happen. I realize that the PS3's sales aren't what Sony might like, but I don't think it's quite as dire as everyone likes to make out. Judging based on 4 months of sales is pretty much jumping the gun in any case. Just like people bought bunches of 360's in the wake of Gears, there's a distinct possibility that the fierce competition is having a chilling effect on purchases until "killer app" titles are actually available. The fact that you're sure without any facts available means you're working on faith, and that makes your conclusions extremely suspect. Next you'll be telling me that Jack Thompson's gonna whup TakeTwo - that's a faith-based conclusion too. :) Even looking at the aligned launches, the 360 and the PS3 had very similar numbers at this stage of the game (in NA). The difference is that the PS3 is getting these numbers with competition.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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No worries. We're just chatting, right? No fanboyism necessary. I'll have another 360 by the end of the year probably. :) Look me up - gamertag ayrkaine.
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by jacky (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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@ayrkain:
Don't forget, the Xbox has just DVD DLs not DVDs. This means 9gb fits on one disc...
Also you can compress games on the 360, what you can not do on the ps3
So there should be enough place to port it to the 360. We gonna see it.
But what does the autor wanted to say with this article? That Ace Combat is going Multiplatform??
I don't want to read the hole article
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Re: CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-03-25 |
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it is not needed do to all the space available on the disc. Also the quality don't have to be diminished do to this.
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Re: ayrkain - 2007-03-25 |
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Yes, they're talking about Ace Combat going multi-platform. I don't think that FF will, but you're free to believe what you will. To be honest, if SE was going to put a bunch of games on the 360, Microsoft wouldn't have needed to put out money to help found Mistwalker. I'm sure there will be games for the 360, but they probably won't be the flagship titles.
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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The person that wrote the article predicts it coming to the PS3 after it's released on the 360. No official announcement or anything, just a gamers prediction. It will probably be a timed exclusive, unless MS opens up their check book to deprive PS3 owners of the title.
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by CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2007-03-25 |
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Next gen Ace Combat rules!!!
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by J man (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Ace Combat would NEVER be a 360 exclusive, c'mon yeah I know money talks or w/e but they have made 6 games EXCLUSIVELY for sony in the last 10 years why would they stop all together, the way people are talking about the ps3 is like it WONT have sold 10 million by the end of the year (which it probably do EASILY), im jus disappointed its gone to the 360 because if THIS EXACT title is going to be multi platform, it would be alot shorter than it SHOULDVE been, im not doin the whole blu ray v dvd thing again, but lets be honest they would have used at LEAST 25 gb to make the game (ie about 25 hours of gameplay) which imo would have been OUTSTANDING but since its multi platform u can pretty much cut that in half. but im happy for the xbox owners that previously never got to enjoy the GREATEST flight Action-sim ever created
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Re: Devise (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Mass Effect (360 exclusive) looks stunning and contains 30 to 40 hours of game play on one disc.
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Re: comedy - 2007-03-25 |
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one word: generic.
i'm finding a distinct lack of originality in next-gen games...
and don't use the wii as argument against my lament, all they've done is got a light gun, strapped it to a touch screen and put loads of warioware clones on the market... sod that.
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by comedy - 2007-03-25 |
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yeah. or at least gamespot says so...
so this article is about ps3 not getting a title we never thought it woudl get?
the point of this article is ambiguous, is the guy doing ANOTHER 'ps3 losing out to x360' article, as they are the thing to do right now. or is it a feeble attempt to try and level it up saying 'x360 may just lose an exclusive'...?
so recently i've read articles about ps3 losing dmc exclusivity - which is true, ps3 selling well - which was reported effectively as lies, and now this game, an x360 exclusive, not being on ps3... a rather anti-ps3 vibe going on.
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Re: Constantinecy - 2007-03-25 |
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Its been 4 months now that the ps3 gets pounded into the ground by either 360 fans or article publishers. I cant get it honestly why dont they buy what the like and just stop basting each others b-a-l-l's.
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Re: Chris L. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-03-25 |
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The article was written from the Ace Combat perspective, not the PS3 vs. 360 perspective (which I lament). That latter topic is SO the drama and overworked post-DMC4, that people tend to lose sight of the positives. There is no anti-PS3 vibe being implied here - in fact, nothing would please me more than to see how AC6 would look on PS3.
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by juxta (Unregistered) - 2007-03-25 |
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Good article. No talking about bashing, just how most game maker are starting to not put all their egg in one basket and the natural progression of the brand. Exclusives I think are a thing of the past unless you publish for first party companys then it makes sense to keep it exclusive ie. NO halo 3's for ps3
Anyway dont care if it's on ps3 or 360 I look forward to blasting all you other ACES out of the sky. See you up there.
Ooh ooh heres an idea let the multiplayer online be cross platform and let the fanboys slug it out in the sky. hehe.
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Re: Chris L. (QJ. NET Staff) - 2007-03-25 |
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Don't we all wish we can fly under the same blue sky? :)
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by hush404 - 2007-03-25 |
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Rip a game from it's root console and give it to a system solely because of online? Give me a break! THere's more behind it than that, perhaps quite a few things... with $'s infront of those things.
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by jh (Unregistered) - 2007-03-26 |
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:) I consider myself lucky
This is the 1st time I have not had 2 buy all the]
systems.
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by Prime 223 (Unregistered) - 2007-03-26 |
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Dont be stupid people the cost of making games is skyrocketing they can no longer aford to stay on only one platform until the price goes down
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by Razgriz (Unregistered) - 2007-04-01 |
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