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In Final Fantasy, the modelling fidelity was really better than the motion fidelity. In other words, when you looked at the models, they signalled an expectation to the audience that the motion couldn't deliver upon. |
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It'll be then end of the road when Square needs leesons on motion capturing from EA *****e. Have they seen FF7 Advent Children?
man. EA games needs to stop bashing on games, first gears of war now this screw EA games
Here I am free to say what I couldn't say in the article. Here I am free to be sarcastic. And nasty. Notice that he compares Final Fantasy and Tiger Woods PGA Tour. Wow. Yeah. Whatev. LOL
Dam bastard thinks FF graphics don't deliver eh? Obviously he's too busy playing the first one to take a look at the latest installment. VP: "The character's are sprites!" Yeah no *****, your so f'ing old your still playing it on your SNES. How 'bout you put on your coke bottle glasses and take a look at what square is coming out with now. Helluva lot better than your Tiger Woods crap. *End rant*
he's just jealous of ff lol
Who cares about realistic motion in freakin Tiger Woods. First spyware in BF2142, now this. Guess my boycott of EA will continue a while longer... FF games are the s***
Looks like Square isnt going be letting EA use their White Engine anytime soon now huh? Good move EA. First you take away baseball and release crap like Madden 07 and now youve lost all chances of real time rendered CGI games. I dont know how you guys even made it this far.
LOL OKAY EA, take a look at madden? they run like they shyated themselves and never learned how to walk correctly. ST FU EA, EA is the worst milking company EVAR!!1!
"Entis has proof that Tiger Woods PGA Tour has achieved realism: Tiger Woods couldn't tell he was looking at computer graphics."
No, you have proof that Tiger Woods is a sellout whore... who needs glasses.
Seriously who are EA trying to fool ?
Final "*****asy" What a lame game...ha ha let me guess you play World of warcraft too....HA HA HA HA
your brain needs a major surgery ;)
hmmm your a dikhed, u need to get laid, final fantasy was a sik game, and world or warcraft is *****, so u can shove tht comment up your arse you little prick
aye ***** you buddy ff rules all games
what i dont get is how ea, the game company that is infamous for no inovation and a vicious pursuer of your money, can say that one of the biggest franchises out there is doing something that isn't as good as theirs.
I can't say either that he is right or wrong. I've only player final fantasy tactics, 7 and 8. He did diss like half the video gamer population though. I can see where he is going, but comparing a "GOLF" game to an rpg is "unrealistic". I mean, golfers on video games have preset motions, rpg games, you can do a lot. I more on he is wrong but I can see where he is going even though EA is going on a sucky streak.
Don't ever play FF8 it's terrible. I've played every final fantasy. (11 isn't one) and 8 shouldn't even bear the name.
FF games are unrealistic... In the way that it brings a whole new world to the audience.. But they still look great... Who wants another "Realistic" piece of crap from EA anyways?
Is this when we diss EA for games like the ones he mentioned to be too realistic and no fun? - or do we mention Burnout and say its not realistic and the cars run like rubbish? - or do we go onto say that all EA racing games now are rubbish cos they all feature Catch-up which isnt realistic motion?
The Evil EA :-p suck my balls
EA is just jealous that SQUARE and ENIX (SQUARE ENIX) are doing good in the market right now, than when EA were partners with SQUARE, (SQUARE EA). THE ONLY GOOD GAME I remember you guys having, (That was an rpg), was the Final Fantasy 8 project. Might I add that sole developer of Square (Hinorubu Sakaguchi) didnt really need EA, considering that EA half-assed themselves while teaming up with the king of rpg games.
EA, u had your chance. Stay making sports games rather than trying something that you CANNOT come close to perfecting.
I have to agree with you playero_lf that, when EA teamed up with square that they did halfass the final fantasy 8 project. Hell, it didnt even feel like they had anything to do with that project.
I also have to agree that Hinorubu Sakaguchi was THE BEST DEVELOPER EVER to grace the RPG industry!!!!
Unrealistic as in... something not real, or fake.
Like the graphics in the screenshots of EA's NFS: Carbon.
Tell me WHERE in the whole darn game do the wheels blur out like they used to show off in the screenshots?
Also are the graphics as crisp? I don't think so.
Although they went one step ahead!!! They show off .. Unrealistic gameplay, when they used to show the trailers of the Canyon races, the tires were to the ground as hot butter was to a glass shape, slide away! But can you actually do that in canyon races? I do NOT think so. The cars actually stick to the ground as much as their tires' grip allows to.
So here's some advice for you EA... These games, might have unrealistic graphics, according to REAL Life objects, which just makes them even MORE original. BUT They do comply to what they promise on early screenshots and don't cut the work later on... as in... they're realistic in terms of objectives and showing off. ;)
Just a tip before EA goes around criticising every game without any ideas of what the hell they're talking about.
yeah, I'm pretty sure the screen shots you are refering to are for xbox360 and ps3, and I doubt you have either of those to compare graphics to. Graphics aren't the point anyway, the motion of the characters is. Get it right idiot before you start ranting, yes we know you love FF games unconditionally.
Please find better posters. The quote above clearly shows that he acknowledges FF as having GREAT graphics. He is only talking about motion not being AS GREAT.
So read what he is saying. He is saying that FF has great graphics but because the motion isn't great, the total package isn't realistic. From the original article: "And in some cases, although the graphics are great - it certainly grows the market and draws people in - the graphics are creating some problems that as an industry we need to deal with very rapidly."
One of these problems, Entis explained, is that it's hard to believe in a character that looks extremely lifelike if they don't move and behave in realistic ways.
"In Final Fantasy, the modelling fidelity was really better than the motion fidelity," he argued. "In other words, when you looked at the models, they signalled an expectation to the audience that the motion couldn't deliver upon."
When this situation occurs, Entis believes, "You basically expect a level of life that isn't there and the character, in relative terms, feels dead."
first with GoW, and now final fantasy. wtf is wrong with them... just cause they cant make good enough games when compared to epic and square enix, doesnt mean they can go on f**kin dessin them. adn besides Gow and the FF series have some of the best graphics that i have ever seen in gamessssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
F U EAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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how about you learn how to spell, beside..who cares ....u turd.
It's amazing how the realism is all that EA has to focus on really when it makes its sports games, and they still don't have amazing improvents year to year or anything.
Square Enix brings us great graphics, great story, and great gameplay. Basically I'd like to have EA write a best selling novel while they make their game so they know what that aspect of games is like. Square Enix has more to do on its plate than just reuse and touch up on what they used in their last game. If EA was gone tomorrow... I wouldn't miss them.
Serisously. Ive never heard of dragons, fireballs shooting out of hands, or fighting while jumping huge distances (okay, i have in old chinese moves, but that isnt real). Yet, Advent Children manages to convey realistic view of those crazy stunts that are impossible in real life.
Also, in the latest FF, i dont see anymore akward movements, yet there are tons of monsters and creatures that dont exist in this world. Man, the ability to make unreal creatures animate fluidly already puts the animators in those studios better than just motion capturing.
Yeah an ex-Dreamworks Interactive exec that great and realistic company that created 'Goosebumps: Escape from Horrorland' and 'T'ai Fu: Wrath of the Tiger.' Real realistic there buddy!
I see about as much realism in Hot Shot Golf as in Tiger Woods.
Also if EA ever makes a game half as beautiful as a FF game then I'll crap my knickers and think the world has truly come to an end.
Stick with sports fat-head and leave fantasy to the professionals.
Thank goodness Square dropped EA when it partnered with Enix.
...We all know reality has a well-established liberal bias.
Well, this was obviously the non-story of the week. EA are arrogant bastards, we already knew that. We also know Final Fantasy isn't really striving for realism per se.
I hate EA!
But his point is motion is as important as polygon count and textures.
He's right , quit being idiots.
***** that guy, square-enix rule's when it come's to graphic's and cgi,look at ff7: ad,look at ff13!!! *****!!!
Damn why doesn't EA just STFU and take their own advice. Looks like they just trying to excuse themselves for their own lack of innovation and just adding polygons to their top tier games. What, hit stick was that damn innovative that it took a year to develop and they couldn't do anything else? They just need to STFU and gamers need to keep bringing the heat under their asses because they don't give a ***** as long as they got millions of dumbasses still buying their products.
List of EA ports (games that are just re-branded and tweaked)
Madden 07
NBA Live 07
NFS Carbon
Tiger Woods 07
Battlefield 2142
Fight Night
Insulting, arrogant, stupid, false, there are not enough words in the english language to describe this Glenn Entis #$@er. Play final fantasy 12, then play any EA game. EA half-asses everything they do, and the only decent games they ever made were by developers that they bought out instead of competing with. For my part, I will NEVER EVER buy another game made by EA again.
None of the above posters (or at least the competent ones) have argued against the importance of fluid motion in videogames. So don't get all high and mighty douche on them. However as many of them have said EA's games are for the most part based on real life activities, whereas sqare|enix has to contend with making a Fantasy word seem somewhat realistic while including fictional beings and physics into their games. So until s|e gets full life dragons/fairies/ogres/moogles etc. into their studio and riged for mo-cap they will always be at a disadvantage. (and have overcome these challenges quite well imo)
...that is the worst example ever. EA games are by no means achieving the very thing he claims to. I would even argue that Final Fantasy does a much better job than almost any EA game.
I'm sorry guy, but using FF as an example was bad. If you look in its name "final FANTASY" you will see notice... well in this case, I guess you were to ignorant to notice "FANTASY" meaning
3. a mental image, esp. when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.
why do they want to focus on making look realist? ITS A FANTASY GAME and I hope they will keep it that way.
well dont poke a tiger in the eye and expect him to just pack up and leave. In (sone of the old)honesty f.f titles are a little on the robotic but since 10 and evin noiticable on 9 they have tried to inprove on it. and I wouldnt have final fantasy any other way. Its called Fantasy so it infers well fantasy so if u thinks fantasy aint real enough for you then go play Golf and leave my games alone/. Final fantsy titles dont bug me as mch as the contrlols for resident evil and metal gear. Not that hard to get use to bt still just a little annoying. Besides if they make everyhtign perfect now what are we gonna look forward to?. well u didnt say nithin to bad bt mch like the others are saying compared to madden and other ea titles............. I dont lay games to compare to reality i play to escape reality.
i aint disregarding his sayings just saying if your gonna point ur finger it had better be among a couple others in a morror reflecting r self and sorry for my typoes above
HE'S TALKING ABOUT FINAL FANTASY: THE SPIRITS WITHIN. Just so you know. The models eclipsed the motion capture animation so it looked weird and people failed to accept it.
On that note, EA reps need to stop criticizing everything and improve on their own games.
At least Square does not release buggy ass games that get by the EA QA team. Real Professional EA.
Creating art is WAY better, cool, greater, original, special, beautifull, perfect then simply trying to "copy" something wrong ( the human body is NOT perfect, it's crappy, and the final fantasy characters are perfect, beautifull, that's art ).
EA is one of the worst company, with an ultimate lack of imagination. They almost only do sports game, wich is easy, you just have to upgrade the graphics in terms of "copying the human body".
EA, glenn entis, please kill yourself fo being so an imbecile who said openly that he hate art for being "unrealistic".
What sort of imbeciles could say something like that.. It's because of this kind of limited-mind that video games are not fully accepted as art...
these guys did do Lord of the Rings...and they still mangaged to ***** it up. You're right! Burn them to hell!
So what if Tiger woods has great graphix it still sucks as a game .
Final fantasy is one hell of a game even with shocking graphix.
Who gives a damn about graphix if the game is poor ???
HENCE THE NAME "FINAL FANTASY"...
its still final FANTASY
Better graphics isn't enough. If you just increase the polygons, you will end up with better-looking characters, but that doesn't mean they'll look more "realistic." You need to improve the motion physics. And you also need to improve gameplay.
